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re: Refusing refugees "isnt a Christian thing to do"
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:26 am to Revelator
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:26 am to Revelator
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But it has no moral weight if it's fables and they are using it as a moral hammer. It's illogical.
even that's not true
my conceptualization of religion involves moral components that can be compared, contrasted, and adopted
most religions have every similar philosophies in may areas. tons of overlap. deriving why this happens and adopting it doesn't require any specific belief in the individual religions themselves
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:27 am to Godfather1
Not really. I understand what's he's saying just fine. I just don't see it in practice, I suppose.
Christianity gets interjected into abortion, no? How does personal responsibility and stopping a perfect stranger from getting an abortion mesh?
Christianity gets interjected into abortion, no? How does personal responsibility and stopping a perfect stranger from getting an abortion mesh?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:27 am to The Boat
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Every person who objects to the temporary halting of the refugee program from unstable Muslim States should put up or shut up and take a refugee family into their own home.
Well said!
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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most religions have every similar philosophies in may areas. tons of overlap. deriving why this happens and adopting it doesn't require any specific belief in the individual religions themselves
Then the atheists should use those common moral codes in arguments with Christians and not scripture.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:29 am to TotesMcGotes
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How does personal responsibility and stopping a perfect stranger from getting an abortion mesh?
well abortion is a bad argument b/c it involves the concept of murder
the ONLY issue in the abortion debate is at what point the "bundle of cells" becomes a human. everyone agrees after that point, killing it is murder. religion isn't even really needed for the overlooking argument of abortion
atheist libertarians argue about abortion all the time
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:30 am to Cosmo
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Refusing refugees "isnt a Christian thing to do"
More illustrative and to the point...liberals coddle Islam which is creating these refugees in the first place. Libs, how about informing these precious Muslims you're coddling to clean their own shite up first then you won't have to worry about Muslim refugees on any level.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:31 am to TotesMcGotes
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Christianity gets interjected into abortion, no? How does personal responsibility and stopping a perfect stranger from getting an abortion mesh?
That whole argument is predicated on the idea of when life begins. And nobody seems to want to agree on that.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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traditional right wingers who want to impose christian values into government at my expense.
Again - in practice, Christianity is thrown into government constantly. So I'm not sure why I should consider Christianity as it should be instead of how it is, regarding application of values.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:32 am to Revelator
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Then the atheists should use those common moral codes in arguments with Christians and not scripture.
i don't argue with many Christians these days, but that's what i do
i don't believe in religions but i have a respect for many of them. Christianity in particular was crucial to the development of Western Culture. i also believe in protecting religion from government in most all cases
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:34 am to TotesMcGotes
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Again - in practice, Christianity is thrown into government constantly.
and i'm against it there, too
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So I'm not sure why I should consider Christianity as it should be instead of how it is, regarding application of values.
the issue isn't what the Christians do and believe. it's what you do and believe
if your grand point is there is a collection of Christians who promote government when it suits them and promote secularism when it suits them, you win the gold star for the "no fricking shite that's the most obvious statement in the history of the world" award. the problem is that you're arguing in a manner that makes YOU a hypocrite, too. so not only does the negatively affect the points you're attempting to make in this thread, in the macro sense it makes you look just as bad as the Christians who use government when it suits them
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't argue with many Christians these days, but that's what i do i don't believe in religions but i have a respect for many of them. Christianity in particular was crucial to the development of Western Culture. i also believe in protecting religion from government in most all cases
I can live with this.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:37 am to Revelator
also i don't get into any discussions about the existence of any religion. if i'm discussing religion with a Christian it will involve politics or sociology or economics or something
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Yea, the whole point of the original post was to point out hypocrisy, not to make some profound statement no one had ever stumbled upon.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:38 am to Cosmo
Any god that destroys entire cities because of buttsex isn't gonna be upset about banning some ragheads from coming to America.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:40 am to Cosmo
It absolutely is.
Heaven has a gate,
You have to have permission to get in.
Heaven has a gate,
You have to have permission to get in.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:43 am to TotesMcGotes
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I'm honestly not seeing the separation you're describing. Christianity inevitably gets interjected into nearly everything, whether in support of an issue or as a tool to argue against something. By christians and non-christians alike.
Government v individual charity.
When an individual helps another. The giver experiences God's love in His gifts to us. The receiver experiences God's love through the love of the giver. Both received God's grace, and fellowship through love.
When the government takes my money through taxes there is no love or grace. There is only resentment and the natural desire to pay as little as possible. The recipients do not get a gift, they get an "entitlement". There is no love or thankfulness. Usually the emotion experienced is bitterness over the size of the entitlement.
Therefore individual charity results in love and fellowship. Government action results in bitterness and division.
No government is religious. Governments have no souls. Jesus would not advocate killing Roman soldiers. Yet our government killed hundreds of thousands of Germans to defeat the Nazis. Your simplistic view of Christianity will never reconcile a Christian believing both are right. Sucks to be you.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:45 am to TotesMcGotes
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Yea, the whole point of the original post was to point out hypocrisy
that's not what you did, though
you made a point about Christianity as a concept and didn't directly address those you feel are hypocrites
again, this is the problem with smug, "drive by gotcha" arguments
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:46 am to Cosmo
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Weird how liberals will shite on Christianity but now flip it when it fits their message
This tactic is straight out of Rules for Radicals by Alinsky: use their own rules against your political enemies.
Abortion is murder according to Christians, but the Alinsky-ites hope that we're all to stupid to notice how intellectually dishonest Democrats really are -- they are LIARS.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:53 am to TotesMcGotes
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Weird how many liberals will shite on Christian values and then embrace Christianity when it supports their message.
FIFY
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to Gaspergou202
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When the government takes my money through taxes there is no love or grace. There is only resentment and the natural desire to pay as little as possible
There is a good reason for that. The Government takes your money through force at the point of a gun.
Charity is something you do willingly to help your fellow man in need.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 12:00 pm
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