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re: Refusing refugees "isnt a Christian thing to do"
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:01 am to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:01 am to TotesMcGotes
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Mostly as a means to mock bible thumpers who choose to look the other way when it suits them
again
this argument would make sense if it actually made sense
you guys who are trying to engage in drive by gotcha rhetoric look like complete idiots when you make ignorant comments like this. Jesus did not teach about governmental policy. immigration is governmental policy. it's outside the realm of Christianity
this same "drive by gotcha" fails when the same smug argument is used re: welfare
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:01 am to TigerMyth36
"Forgive me father for I have sinned. I called a person I don't know a shitbag heathen and he laughed at me for it. This was all done via internet."
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:02 am to Revelator
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An atheist has no moral grounds to use any scripture in an argument because he doesn't believe any of it to begin with.
now this isn't true, either
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:02 am to thelawnwranglers
I up-voted you on the first part of your statement. The second part is a fallacy as the Republic was founded on Judeo-Christian values greatly inflected by the founders beliefs, which have held it together from the beginning. They were against the establishment of a national religion, but knew and intended that the churches beliefs were to guide the Republic.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:03 am to TotesMcGotes
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But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
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Weird how many conservatives will cling to Christian values when it supports their message, but look the other way when it doesn't.
The Samaritan brought neither the victim nor perpetrators into his home. He paid for a safe place for the victims.
Jesus apparently would advocate creating a safe zone in their country over taking in refugees with guaranteed terrorist included with the terrorized!
It never ceases to amaze me how confused libtards are over Christian values.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh so Christians and those applying Christian values ONLY do so within the strict parameters of what Jesus was teaching? Things "outside the realm of Christianity" don't have Christian values applied to them?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:04 am to TigerMyth36
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You atheist clowns have no clue about Christianity and constantly spout pure shite.
This is a sweeping generalization, and even more so very very untrue most of the time. Christians who think this are the ones moments away at all times from getting their shite pushed in during a debate with a person of another belief system.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:04 am to TotesMcGotes
Actually calling you a shitbag heathen isn't a sin since you are one so confession not needed.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:05 am to Cosmo
Letting the taxpayers foot the bill for these refugee's relocation, living, and health expenses while risking domestic security isn't really very Christian either.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:07 am to TotesMcGotes
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Oh so Christians and those applying Christian values ONLY do so within the strict parameters of what Jesus was teaching? Things "outside the realm of Christianity" don't have Christian values applied to them?
you're not listening
Christianity is about personal action
government is not personal action. it's a third party
immigration is a governmental policy, therefore, has nothing to do with Christianity
it's the same thing when this argument is used for welfare
supporting welfare is not Christian. Christianity teacher personal charity. welfare is avoiding personal charity by forcing others to fund a third party to do the charitable work for them. that is nothing related to what Jesus taught about personal action (charity)
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
my upvote is to the 100th power
ETA:
I'm so impressed with Donald J. Trump.
He has caused a mass conversion of Christianity by all of these atheists.
Is there nothing the man can't do?
ETA:
I'm so impressed with Donald J. Trump.
He has caused a mass conversion of Christianity by all of these atheists.
Is there nothing the man can't do?
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:08 am to Cosmo
liberal like to pretend like legal immigration is not real as well
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:10 am to olddawg26
quote:bullshite. Not on here. Atheist on here constantly pull out the hypocritical card on Christianity without understanding the fracking key concepts. We aren't perfect. We make mistakes. We try to do better. It isn't hypocrisy to be rational in understanding EVERYONE can't be helped.
This is a sweeping generalization, and even more so very very untrue most of the time.
The clown OP was pulling the standard hypocrisy card where none existed.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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w this isn't true, either
It's is. If you say that Jesus never existed and the Bible is only the words of men and not inspired,how can you use any of its verses As a way to curb, modify or impugne someone's behavior that is supposedly hypocritical of an imaginary source?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:17 am to Revelator
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how can you use any of its verses
in an academic way discussing the religion itself
it's not like there aren't countless examples of sermons, writings, teachings, etc based around chrisitanity that non-christians can't access to understand the competing viewpoints of chrisianity. just like i'm sure you disagree with many strains of christianity but understand what makes them different from your strain. if we were to extrapolate your point, you could never disagree with what any other christian sect/strain believes because you're not capable of understanding their worldview that created the difference in beliefs
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm honestly not seeing the separation you're describing. Christianity inevitably gets interjected into nearly everything, whether in support of an issue or as a tool to argue against something. By christians and non-christians alike.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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you're not listening
Christianity is about personal action
government is not personal action. it's a third party
immigration is a governmental policy, therefore, has nothing to do with Christianity
it's the same thing when this argument is used for welfare
supporting welfare is not Christian. Christianity teacher personal charity. welfare is avoiding personal charity by forcing others to fund a third party to do the charitable work for them. that is nothing related to what Jesus taught about personal action (charity)
Pretty sure you just gave him a massive headache.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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in an academic way discussing the religion itself
But it has no moral weight if it's fables and they are using it as a moral hammer. It's illogical.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:22 am to TotesMcGotes
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Oh so Christians and those applying Christian values ONLY do so within the strict parameters of what Jesus was teaching? Things "outside the realm of Christianity" don't have Christian values applied to them?
You're trying too hard and failing.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:23 am to TotesMcGotes
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I'm honestly not seeing the separation you're describing.
then you're either dumb or trying not to
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Christianity inevitably gets interjected into nearly everything, whether in support of an issue or as a tool to argue against something. By christians and non-christians alike.
i'm a secularist
you know where i developed that argument i listed out above? arguing with traditional right wingers who want to impose christian values into government at my expense. you see i have completely consistent ideology in both arguments. if you want to support Christian values being a justification for immigration policy, then you have to support Christian values being a justification for all sorts of government overreach that affect you negatively
this is the difference in supporting ideals and supporting parties/tribes. you are supporting a tribe. you have to compromise your values and become a hypocrite in the process, while ironically doing it to come off as elite. the smugness of this personal destruction is the icing on the cake
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