re: Red flag laws will not end mass shootings but will end due process

So far, I have been discussing legal issues, and you are asking about policy, but I will give it a try.

My philosophy on most things is very libertarian. I prefer punishing the Hell out of wrongdoers to inhibiting the behavior of the law-abiding supermajority. So I certainly agree with your second point in concept.

Not sure I agree with the first point, bc I see that 18yo as part of the law-abiding supermajority until he proves himself otherwise. Ideologically, I think that mandatory training and licensing are the better approach, but both can potentially run afoul of structural concerns under the 2nd Amendment. For instance, some zealot will assert that rights are being infringed by a requirement that he know how to use the "safety" button on his firearm.

I do think that red flag laws could potentially be useful, but I acknowledge that they are subject to abuse. If they were to be enacted, I think they would have to include both a significant burden of proof and significant penalties for misuse.

I suspect that many of the responses to both your post and mine will be the functional equivalent of attempting to discuss chess with an angry ferret.

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1: Semi Auto possession age limit raised to 21.

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So, we raising the age limit to enlist and/or be drafted to 21 as well?

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The precedent is already set.

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I notice you didn't answer my question.

Are you for increasing the draft age to 21?

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I hope that you are not in the "mindless Troy" camp, asserting that those centuries of jurisprudence are not nearly so valuable as his own, personal interpretations of the concept.

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Here is "mindless Troy's" personal interpretation of the concept, you arrogant fricking prick. Read it. Know it. Live it.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Here is Webster's definition of due process, you arrogant fricking prick.

Definition of due process
1: a course of formal proceedings (such as legal proceedings) carried out regularly and in accordance with established rules and principles
— called also procedural due process

2: a judicial requirement that enacted laws may not contain provisions that result in the unfair, arbitrary, or unreasonable treatment of an individual


Now, my personal interpretation is that any time the government takes your shite without affording the person the right to first defend themselves in court is on its face a violation of the 5th Amendment, among a couple of others. My personal interpretation is also that anyone who gives themselves permission to violate that right is a criminal, and a tyrant, and I don't give a rat's arse if those tyrants are the local street thug, or the Supreme Court of the United States.

You must have wanted me in this thread Hankabitch, or you wouldn't have been talking about me.

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I notice you didn't answer my question.

Are you for increasing the draft age to 21?

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I don't believe in the draft period.

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I"ve already cited that in the past and you still post this 72 hours in every thread.

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Apologies, but I have no recollection of ever noticing your existence or reading anything that you've written.

The draft bill that I read about two years ago said "three business days." 21 days (or even 15) is definitely too long for the initial contested hearing.

Personally, I would set 7 days as the outside limit. "Not less than three and not more than seven days from the date of service of the Order ...."

Three days to prep and no more than seven days to wait. Seems reasonable.

Troy, when you are formulating your insults, you should keep something in mind. Nothing you say does anything more than make me shake my head in derision and chuckle. You are simply too stupid, uneducated and ill-informed to generate a "thought" which will upset me.

You are the Kevin Kline character in "A Fish Called Wanda." A complete Yahoo with delusions of intelligence.

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NY State currently has a Red Flag law on the books. How's it working there?

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In fairness, I don't think that anyone ... anywhere ... is so deluded as to believe that a red flag law will stop ALL gun violence or even ALL mass shootings.

The thought seems to be that stopping even SOME of them would justify the process.

Well, you see our legislators are doing " something" about guns. They found a way to get your guns without coming directly for your guns or your other rights.