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RE: corporate tax cuts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:55 pm
If you were a member of Congress would you insist that any corporate tax cuts would be contingent on each company proving that they are investing those savings in hiring more people/better wages?
I would, sorry I don't just trust that corporate fat fricks would do the right thing.
I would, sorry I don't just trust that corporate fat fricks would do the right thing.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:00 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Who are you to say what the “right thing” is for a corporation to do with its money?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:01 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Why don't you just nationalize the businesses and get it over with.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:02 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Yes,
There is nothing to prevent a corporation from using money it now saves from the tax cut to increase its use of robots.
There is nothing to prevent a corporation from using money it now saves from the tax cut to increase its use of robots.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:04 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
There is a 0% chance that corporations are going to use the tax cuts to raise pay or hire workers. That's simply not how business works. Wages are based on supply and demand of the people needed to do the job. That's why brain surgeons make more than call center operators.
Corporations have one job. Make as much net profit as possible. If you increase their net profit by lowering their taxes they aren't going to give that profit away to their workers, they are going to give it to their stockholders.
This corporate tax cut is not about jobs and wages, it is about donations and congressmen fulfilling promises made to donors.
Please show me a time in history where there was a increase in wages directly tied to a tax cut. It's never happened and never will.
Corporations have one job. Make as much net profit as possible. If you increase their net profit by lowering their taxes they aren't going to give that profit away to their workers, they are going to give it to their stockholders.
This corporate tax cut is not about jobs and wages, it is about donations and congressmen fulfilling promises made to donors.
Please show me a time in history where there was a increase in wages directly tied to a tax cut. It's never happened and never will.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:08 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Make everyone who votes for this bill sign the following.
I _____________ promise to never run for re-election if this bill doesn't actually result in the increase in average hourly wages over the current normal rate of increase.
I _____________ promise to never run for re-election if this bill doesn't actually result in the increase in average hourly wages over the current normal rate of increase.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:15 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Who are you to say what the “right thing” is for a corporation to do with its money?
Just how stupid are you? We have busineesmen saying "if corporate taxes were lower we could afford to reinvest in our businesses which would create more and higher paying jobs" because obviously if they said "we want lower corporate tax rates so we can shove more money in our bank accounts" people would riot and they would never get their lower rates.
So my question stands, would you stipulate that businesses would actually have to do what they have said they would do if corporate taxes were lowered?
I mean it seems like a no brainer here that the answer would be yes. Why introduce left/right into it.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:24 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I mean it seems like a no brainer here that the answer would be yes. Why introduce left/right into it.
Good luck on this board. The hard right on here are the biggest corporate arse kissers on earth. They think anything is fine in the pursuit of profit (see net-neutrality).
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:33 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Who are you to say what the “right thing” is for a corporation to do with its money?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:33 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
As one who has work for some of America's largest corporations I can tell you from my experience, that hiring more employees is an avoidable expense. More than likely if the workforce is increased it will be via contractors and not employees, even though I think this is a sham. When companies are on the downswing, what expense is the first to be cut? Employees!
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:36 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Should it be a one way street? The corporations are howling for tax relief......"reform the tax code" they say and then you'll see things go "boom" .
I think if you want me to give you something, you have to give me something in return....and I don't mean a donation to a political PAC or a bribe.
So......if you want me to cut your taxes and that is going to result in billions of dollars in windfall for your corporation or corporations, then you damn well better do something with that money that does improve economy other than puffing up your stock price or allowing executives to have larger bonuses(which I'm all for). But if you want something from me then I want something from you....it's the essence of a contract
I think if you want me to give you something, you have to give me something in return....and I don't mean a donation to a political PAC or a bribe.
So......if you want me to cut your taxes and that is going to result in billions of dollars in windfall for your corporation or corporations, then you damn well better do something with that money that does improve economy other than puffing up your stock price or allowing executives to have larger bonuses(which I'm all for). But if you want something from me then I want something from you....it's the essence of a contract
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:37 pm to alphaandomega
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Taxation is theft.
Oh god. One of you people.
What's your preferred method of paying for police protection and highway maintenance?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I mean it seems like a no brainer here that the answer would be yes. Why introduce left/right into it.
Because everything is politicized.
The one thing I have learned over the years is that when it comes to capitalism, corporations are all for it.....until they become victims of it....see Chase, Morgan Stanley, Citi circa 2008
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:42 pm to Haughton99
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Oh god. One of you people.
What's your preferred method of paying for police protection and highway maintenance?
At a certain point taxation does become legal theft. No American should be paying 50% or more of their overall income in taxes each year.
But that isn't the issue here.
The issue here is if you were Congressman would you insist that the cuts be tied to the reason corporations give for needing those cuts?
If those corporations were being honest about their intentions they would have no problems with such a situation. IE If a company invests X amount into hiring new employees increasing wages over last year then their tax rate decreases by Y. If not, their tax rate stays the same.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:42 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Do the Fair Tax
Wikipedia link about it
Wikipedia link about it
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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If you were a member of Congress would you insist that any corporate tax cuts would be contingent on each company proving that they are investing those savings in hiring more people/better wages?
You would need a staff of 2000+ just to try and keep straight who is in compliance and who is not. Even then you wouldn't know.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:45 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Given that corporations are people, why not tax them as people are?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:47 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
In your opinion, is it better for the US to be competitive with the world on corporate taxes? Do we want jobs in the US or overseas?
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