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re: Raymond Arroyo: Why Exorcisms are on the rise
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:15 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:15 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Just remember this part.
Consciousness is not local.
Consciousness is not local.
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Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:20 pm to cajunangelle
Lot of stuff going on in this thread and theology being put out there.
Just to make sure that I am not going to hell (hypothetically), do you HAVE to believe in demons and hell? Or, if you don’t believe in demons or hell, does it mean you are going there?
Just to make sure that I am not going to hell (hypothetically), do you HAVE to believe in demons and hell? Or, if you don’t believe in demons or hell, does it mean you are going there?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I do not think demonic possessions are real.
Psychological illness is real.
Why can't both be real? I know people I believe are at least partially possessed.
I guess it all comes down whether one believes a parallel metaphysical dimension exists.
The theory in brief as Christians understand it from Scripture: demons are said to be the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (the illegitimate hybrids sons and daughters off-spring of Fallen Angels-Humans.)
WHEN THEY DIED, there was no "legal" afterlife place for their spiritual manifestation to go. Thus, they have REMAINED CONSCIOUS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Thus they are said to have roamed the world, in search of a physical host to "possess" or "share." Many (humans) voluntarily give "consent". (this is a tangent that has many tentacles, but not going there right now)
MUCH of the epidemic of evil and psychological pathologies and "illness" seen today can be contributed to...demon possession. Scripture tells us that in the Last Days, this phenomena would proliferate. And IT IS.
This post was edited on 3/8/26 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:51 pm to cajunangelle
The spirit of the age seems like new age deception
"Christ consciousness"
"Jake Barber type feminine energy masquerading as an angel of light"
"Ushering in Age of Aquarius"
"False Saviors (non human intelligence) showing up as false saviors in time of trauma (SRA?)
what else is coming?
"Christ consciousness"
"Jake Barber type feminine energy masquerading as an angel of light"
"Ushering in Age of Aquarius"
"False Saviors (non human intelligence) showing up as false saviors in time of trauma (SRA?)
what else is coming?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:59 pm to thetempleowl
So you need proof to believe in Jesus? Got bad news for ya buddy.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:00 pm to cajunangelle
Why are religious folks so weird man. Cringe as heck
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:04 pm to EphesianArmor
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Why can't both be real?
In theory they could.
I don't think demons exist.
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I guess it all comes down whether one believes a parallel metaphysical dimension exists.
Even here, demons don't have to exist
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Scripture tells us that in the Last Days, this phenomena would proliferate. And IT IS.
Is it really?
General pathology is way down at this point in history
I mean just look at this thread and how certain posters are trying to create demons where they don't exist. If they were truly that prevelant, that ruse would not be necessary
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:11 pm to EphesianArmor
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I know people I believe are at least partially possessed.
Name checks out. You might consider seeking competent psychiatric treatment.
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I guess it all comes down whether one believes a parallel metaphysical dimension exists.
Nothing of the sort exists in Christian or Jewish writings or scriptures.
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The theory in brief as Christians understand it from Scripture: demons are said to be the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (the illegitimate hybrids sons and daughters off-spring of Fallen Angels-Humans.)
No, you have some sort of Scientology Tom Cruise shite going on, with the souls of disembodied aliens becoming invisible Thetons that possess people. It’s nuts.
“Demons” are a name applied by early Christians to all the other deities who were not the high god nor his son/logos. In Ancient Greek, demons were lesser subservient deities who were inferior to the more powerful deities such as Zeus and Athena and Mercury and so forth.
Jews believed in a pantheon of deities who were the sons of the most high deity. See Deuteronomy 32:8-9. Those lesser deities were given lordship over the nations of the earth. Sometimes Paul called these “demons” and other times he called them “powers” and “principalities” and “rulers”.
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WHEN THEY DIED, there was no "legal" afterlife place for their spiritual manifestation to go. Thus, they have REMAINED CONSCIOUS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Thus they are said to have roamed the world, in search of a physical host to "possess" or "share." Many (humans) voluntarily give "consent". (this is a tangent that has many tentacles, but not going there right now)
This is some Scientology shite. I hope you get the help you need.
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MUCH of the epidemic of evil and psychological pathologies and "illness" seen today can be contributed to...demon possession
No, this is due to the importation of low-intelligence individuals from other nations and the nanny/welfare state with no accountability.
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Scripture tells us that in the Last Days, this phenomena would proliferate. And IT IS.
It’s been the last days for 2000 years. 2200 years if you count the Qumran community of Essenes on the banks of the Dead Sea. Paul’s and Jesus’ disciples weren’t supposed to die before they see the son of man coming on the clouds and heaven and earth were supposed to be remade… before their deaths. It’s been a long time. Quit fooling yourselves.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Even here, demons don't have to exist
But they do.
They are constantly poking and probing the physical dimension for access via spiritual weakness via "invitation" and "consent". I know this is incredibly abstract for someone who can't or won't accept this "theory" or reality -- how ever you construe it.
You've heard of CERN?
They (so-called "scientists") have admitted their primary objective is actually about poking holes and opening up "portals" in the veil or "fabric" that separates the two dimensions. They readily admit the the purpose is to allow inter-dimensional beings (aka demons and "disembodies spirits"?) to access our world. Some say CERN's objective is a fait accompli. NOT good.
Point being -- other than shamans, voodooists, satanists, various eastern religions and cults -- including the three Abrahamic religions -- now even "science" concedes a spiritual world does indeed exist.
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Look at this thread and how certain posters are trying to create demons where they don't exist. If they were truly that prevelant, that ruse would not be necessary
What's the "ruse"? What did I miss?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:31 pm to Squirrelmeister
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You might consider seeking competent psychiatric treatment.
Already I *know* you're under the influence of a demon.
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you have some sort of Scientology Tom Cruise shite going on, with the souls of disembodied aliens becoming invisible Thetons that possess people. It’s nuts.
Have no idea what you're talking about. Other than...
You are subverting, twisting and misinterpreting Scripture. And regurgitating Jewish-Christian mysticism. Not surprising since I am dealing with the demonic.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:54 pm to EphesianArmor
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They are constantly poking and probing the physical dimension for access via spiritual weakness via "invitation" and "consent". I know this is incredibly abstract for someone who can't or won't accept this "theory" or reality -- how ever you construe it.
You're describing one scenario where they CAN exist. Multiple dimensions do not guarantee/require demons.
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Point being -- other than shamans, voodooists, satanists, various eastern religions and cults -- including the three Abrahamic religions -- now even "science" concedes a spiritual world does indeed exist.
Parallel/multiple dimensions also do not require those alternatives to be spiritual in any way
They can, but don't have to be.
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What's the "ruse"? What did I miss?
Look at Wednesday's posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:10 pm to thetempleowl
quote:Relying on verifiable proof is a falsity.quote:
Do you think demonic possessions and exorcisms are not real?
I do not. I have never heard of anything to make me believe that.
I believe in schizophrenia. I believe in mental health issues. I believe in many things.
But there has never been any verifiable proof.
Less than a century ago, there was no verifiable proof that you could take a small amount of matter, and turn it into a fireball with such force that it would level a city. Then we figured out how to make atomic bombs.
Even the days before the first test, 99% of the earth's population would tell you that you are crazy if you believe that could happen.
I have the suspicion that a lot of spiritual concepts fall under the same umbrella of "I have no idea how any of this would even work in theory, therefore it must be impossible". Some day, someone may figure it out theoretically (maybe someone has already), but then comes the idea of testing and ... what would you even do to test it? Try to open a doorway, and hope it doesn't go somewhere bad?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
You keep calling them demons. I suspect that's the lawyer trying to tie down the language. But consider, what early people would call demons, we might call something else. And there's no reason to believe there isn't an evil force in the universe if you believe there's a good one. It actually doesn't require your belief. It simply is.
Now whatever that is I have no idea, but I get why they called them angels and demons and the universe sure does seem to have us striving towards love while susceptible to fear. I think those are the same binary as good and evil. There's a lot of that. And personally I think there's probably some kind of cosmic scoreboard to see what prevails in this reality. Naming summons and whatnot. We determine reality. And when a lot of us agree on it, well, that's as real as it gets. So to speak.
Now whatever that is I have no idea, but I get why they called them angels and demons and the universe sure does seem to have us striving towards love while susceptible to fear. I think those are the same binary as good and evil. There's a lot of that. And personally I think there's probably some kind of cosmic scoreboard to see what prevails in this reality. Naming summons and whatnot. We determine reality. And when a lot of us agree on it, well, that's as real as it gets. So to speak.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:25 am to TulsaSooner78
yeh,,,,,,,,,bet you'll change that tune before you take your last breath, oh by the way, I think you night be an atheist.........
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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I do not think demonic possessions are real.
I’ve seen some things.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
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Psychological illness is real.
You’d know.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:44 am to ole man
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I think you night be an atheist.
Ya think?
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:58 am to Squirrelmeister
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Edit: For all you dumb MF’ers downvoting, I hope you pray for healing when you get gravely sick and get an exorcism rather than seeking assistance from modern medical physicians.
You feel so strongly about slighting God you had to edit because of your pride. Interesting.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 7:13 am to jizzle6609
Who knew up/down votes affected going to Heaven or Hell
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