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re: Rand Paul sides with the anti Vax crowd/lunatics among measles outbreak
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:18 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:18 am to RD Dawg
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Yea you're right people were much better immune to measles,Polio,chicken pox,whooping cough before vaccinations started.
We can both play these silly little games.
Measles, polio, and whooping cough were probably the few vaccines he received.
And then there is chicken pox. Don’t get me wrong I am glad the vaccine exists bc the disease is a PIA for all involved, but that’s really all it was a PIA and not the plague. Several parents used to expose their kids on purpose pre-vaccine just to get it over with.
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:20 am to STEVED00
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And then there is chicken pox. Don’t get me wrong I am glad the vaccine exists bc the disease is a PIA for all involved, but that’s really all it was a PIA and not the plague. Several parents used to expose their kids on purpose pre-vaccine just to get it over with.
I have but only 1 upvote to give your common sense point.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:20 am to SDVTiger
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just dont understand how you pro mass vaxxers can think getting 38 shots before you are 5 is normal plus flu shots
Because science has conclusively found it to be safe. We vaccinate against more things than we did 50 years ago
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:23 am to Antonio Moss
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Because science has conclusively found it to be safe
Just like science has conclusively found that global warming is going to end us in 12yrs
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:23 am to Antonio Moss
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Because science has conclusively found it to be safe. We vaccinate against more things than we did 50 years ago
That is a complete lie. The safety testing has proven no such thing. The tests have proven there are issues but the rates are low enough (and they don't care about the few susceptible to drastic autoimmune responses) that they are fine with it.
The safety testing of vaccines is the biggest misnomer big pharma has created yet. They are laced with known neurotoxins which have been proven to be the least effective choice for their applications but people still think safety is at the forefront.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:23 am to RD Dawg
I couldn't register my kids for school back in the seventies until I produced their vaccination records. Has that rule changed?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:24 am to TigerTattle
quote:
Has that rule changed?
No
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:32 am to SCLibertarian
quote:I agree in principle, but here is one of those cases where you can draw a pretty solid line between libertarian ideologues and pragmatic libertarians.quote:You can favor vaccines and still believe the government shouldn't force those who don't to vaccinate their children. This is a limited government position.
Gee,I wonder if he was vaccinated as a kid?I would bet just about anything he was.
If refusal to be vaccinated resulted in illness and death for ONLY those who decline vaccination, I would support this position 100%.
Unfortunately, such is not the case. Vaccination programs work best when you have near-unanimous participation. The greater the number of non-participants, the greater the likelihood of outbreak, illness and death… and not just among those who declined to be vaccinated. As such, it comes down to a balancing of the (minimal) risks from vaccination versus the (significant) risks associated with decreased vaccination rates.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:32 am to Jon Ham
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The government shouldn’t be able to force anyone to get shots, but would be well within its rights to deny access to any public services to someone who chooses to not get shots. You want a driver’s license so you can drive on publicly funded roads? Get your shots you fricking idiot.
Or have your children go to a public school? Get them immunized.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:34 am to RD Dawg
quote:
Rand Paul
Is a pussy
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:46 am to i am dan
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Is there a difference? Both groups unvaccinated and can spread illness.
Well the illegals should not be here in the first place. So removing them from the equation makes the number of unvaccinated idiots in America smaller.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:48 am to Antonio Moss
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Because science has conclusively found it to be safe. We vaccinate against more things than we did 50 years ago
No drug is completely safe, children have died or been permanently disabled from receiving vaccines, and I am not referring to the autism controversy, The CDC have a entire website devoted to vaccine side effects and adverse reactions.
For the MMR vax,
"If these events happen, they usually begin within 2 weeks after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate events:
•Seizure (jerking or staring) often associated with fever
•Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women
•Temporary low platelet count, which can cause unusual bleeding or bruising
•Rash all over body
Severe events occur very rarely:
•Deafness
•Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
•Brain damage"
Posted on 3/6/19 at 10:17 am to STEVED00
quote:chicken pox nearly killed me cause I got it a second time at age 15. I lost 40 lbs, weighed 85 lbs at 5'11". My parents did the normal thing, exposed me to a kid who had it when I was like 5, but I got stuck a mild case as a small child it didn't make me immune. I would have gladly had a vaccine
And then there is chicken pox. Don’t get me wrong I am glad the vaccine exists bc the disease is a PIA for all involved, but that’s really all it was a PIA and not the plague. Several parents used to expose their kids on purpose pre-vaccine just to get it over with.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:03 am to narddogg81
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chicken pox nearly killed me cause I got it a second time at age 15. I lost 40 lbs, weighed 85 lbs at 5'11". My parents did the normal thing, exposed me to a kid who had it when I was like 5, but I got stuck a mild case as a small child it didn't make me immune. I would have gladly had a vaccine
Ok. Well one is available. Sorry you had a severe case but your case is still extremely rare. Still the point is that Chicken Pox should not be grouped with Measles, Polio, Pertusis, Smallpox.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:09 am to SDVTiger
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quote:
Because science has conclusively found it to be safe
Just like science has conclusively found that global warming is going to end us in 12yrs
So the only science that counts is from 50 years ago. Are you Zach's son?
Putting aside the # of vaccination shots, failing to vaccinate exposes the herd and has its most significant impacts on infants that are too young to have been vaxxed, yet and sick people have weakened immune systems. So people who don't vaxx aren't only exposing their children, they're exposing the everyone's infant children and immuno-compromised adults. It's not a personal choice.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:38 am to STEVED00
quote:the severity increases with age. It kills adults who get it at a fairly high rate. I was just 15 and I was bedridden for over a month, couldn't stand up. I had massive pox on almost every square inch of my body, eyelids to a-hole.
Ok. Well one is available. Sorry you had a severe case but your case is still extremely rare. Still the point is that Chicken Pox should not be grouped with Measles, Polio, Pertusis, Smallpox.
As it becomes less common, it's more and more important that people get the vaccine because you might not be exposed as a child, and if you get it as an adult you are fricked. Not to mention all those people who can't get vaccines due to illnesses that compromise the immune system, or they are allergic. Herd immunity is the only defense they have. Anti-vaxers shite all over that. And for really stupid reasons for the most part based on Facebook science
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:47 am to RD Dawg
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My freedom? Lots of folks health and freedom would compromised if this toxic mix continues.
Why do you want to force people to take a shot that you don’t believe even works ? If the shot works then only people who don’t get it will get sick . It’s their choice . You act like people not being vaccinated will get people who were vaccinated sick .
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:43 pm to tjv305
What I don’t want to do is create a law based on the emotions related to one incident. How big of a problem is people not being vaccinated for measles? Seems like we have these “scares” from time to time but has the number of measles cases has been relatively steady or are they on the rise?
People should be more vigilant when their personal freedom is at risk.
People should be more vigilant when their personal freedom is at risk.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:01 pm to notsince98
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No. Modern medicine is much better at treating all these issues than they were 50 years ago. Kids aren't dying and getting brain damage from this stuff anymore.
What?
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