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re: Rand Paul says he helped gather votes with Dems to stop Trump tariffs

Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:36 am to
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:36 am to
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Beholden to WHICH lobbyist’s?


Whiskey
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31084 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:06 am to
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Tariffs are taxes,

Nope. The only reason the word tax is associated with tariffs, is because of who collects it; the government. The money is paid by an importer, and it goes directly into the Treasury. If the importer decides to raise his prices to cover the tariff, then the consumer can reject the product. At that point the "tax" has already been paid. So if the product doesnt sell, the importer goes under. Therefore, not a consumer tax, At All
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Congress is the one with that power in the Constitution.

Then tell them to quit passing laws giving the exec branch permission to do that very thing. Also, the Constitution clearly says the exec negotiates with foreign countries. Not the Congress. Theres actually a law (Logan Act) that enforces that rule
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The Logan Act criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.

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The act was named for George Logan who tried to intervene in an undeclared war between the US and France over France seizing U.S. ships trading with Great Britain

The act was specifically put in because a man tried to interfere with the trading policy of the US govt

Sound familiar?

Posted by RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
31084 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:12 am to
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If you cannot discern between Rand Paul and democrats, you’ve lost the plot, and joined a cult.

Morons like you pushed Massie, both Pauls, Romney, McCain, Ryan, the Bushes, McConnell, Murkowski, Collins and they somehow always seem to vote with the DIMs on critical issues

Maybe its you thats lost the plot. Invest in a lighted mirror, perhaps
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:13 am to
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Tariffs are taxes,
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Nope. The only reason the word tax is associated with tariffs, is because of who collects it; the government. The money is paid by an importer, and it goes directly into the Treasury.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 10:13 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:17 am to
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Morons like you pushed Massie, both Pauls, Romney, McCain, Ryan, the Bushes, McConnell, Murkowski, Collins and they somehow always seem to vote with the DIMs on critical issues
Go ahead and find any posts where I've promosted McCain, Ryan, McConnell, Murkowski and Collins..

Meanwhile... Trump endorsed Charlie Crist, Kevin McCarthy, Mike Johnson. on, and. this guy too:


Who is pushing for RINOs?
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 10:18 am
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31085 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:21 am to
If I were a fellow GOP Senator and Senate was in session, I'd have a hard time not shoving his arse across the aisle every damn chance I got.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:22 am to
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If this place doesnt realize Paul and Massie are losers by now they never will


a maverick! so brave!
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31084 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:23 am to
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Go ahead and find any posts where I've promosted

Learn to read
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Morons like you

You also promoted Rob! to beat Trump, which is the pinnacle of all things GOPe. It was their last desperate grasp. And another nail in the Rand coffin. Since he only backed Trump after Trump was elected

RINO to his core
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:24 am to
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Learn to read
I did. You somehow blamed me.

And again...

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You also promoted


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RINO to his core
Indeed. Have no idea w\hy Trump endorsed those folks.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 10:25 am
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31084 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:26 am to
I see you are struggling today. Point to me in the definition where tariffs are defined as a consumer tax?
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A tariff is a duty imposed by a national government, customs territory, or supranational union on imports of goods and is paid by the importer.

Word for word what I typed out
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31084 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:27 am to
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RINO to his core

Indeed. Have no idea w\hy Trump endorsed those folks.

And yet Rand endorsed Trump

Keep struggling
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:27 am to
poor poor CUCKING authority!

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:28 am to
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Nope. The only reason the word tax is associated with tariffs, is because of who collects it; the government. The money is paid by an importer, and it goes directly into the Treasury. If the importer decides to raise his prices to cover the tariff, then the consumer can reject the product. At that point the "tax" has already been paid. So if the product doesnt sell, the importer goes under. Therefore, not a consumer tax, At All



This is correct.


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The Logan Act criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.


quote:
The act was named for George Logan who tried to intervene in an undeclared war between the US and France over France seizing U.S. ships trading with Great Britain


The act was specifically put in because a man tried to interfere with the trading policy of the US govt

Sound familiar?



It does.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:29 am to
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Word for word what I typed out
I know. That's exactly why I was laughing at you. I'm guessing you don't know why. Dunning Krueget confirmation!

If you think tariffs are paid by the importer, why wouldn't we tax all corporations at 100%?
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:29 am to
Don't leave the rest off. Who pays the tariff?

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:29 am to
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And yet Rand endorsed Trump
That doesn't mean he thinks Trump is infailable. Only cult members think that.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:30 am to
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Don't leave the rest off. Who pays the tariff?
INDEED!
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:31 am to
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quote:
A tariff is a duty imposed by a national government, customs territory, or supranational union on imports of goods and is paid by the importer.


Word for word what I typed out


It was a selling point by globalists.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:32 am to
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Taxing Authority


Now you are getting it. The importer does.

The same importer has to pay that tariff to the Gov. The end.


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60565 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:33 am to
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Now you are getting it. The importer does.


Just like the store pays the sales tax.
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