re: Rand Paul called out. The general tide is starting to turn against his antics ...

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Have fun with right wing socialism.

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Yep…print the hats now. “Making Government Great Again”

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Both have brought numerous bills to the floor regarding these issues, and almost always receive minimal support from the GOP.

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Weird. I would’ve thought that being a contrarian would’ve garnered tons of support and they would have mastered horse trading as principled libertarians.

Turns out they haven’t got shite done.

You’re mistaking my criticisms of Rand and Massie for support of Trump.

So, Rand wants to investigate the spending for departments enforcing immigration law, even though we clearly see what the money is being spent on, but he doesn't want to investigate all the NGOs or his fellow congressmen. No, dumbfrick Rand just wants to investigate people doing their job and making the country safer by removing illegal alien criminals.

This is why I hate people who put their own personal principles above the good of the country. Other people suffer so you can feel morally superior. If Paul and Massie had to put their principles aside to save children, they would let the kids die.

Principles are just stupid to begin with. You should have ideals instead. Principles make you do dumb shite because they can't be violated ever.

Ideals are far superior. You first look to your ideals, but if they don't deliver the results you want, you can change your approach to something that is actually successful.

Ideals are just that - they're ideal, not written in stone rules that you must follow to your own detriment. Principles are just a way for ineffective people to look down their nose at people who actually accomplish something.

THIS ^^^ has been the problem with these RINO-type "transcendentalists" for years. I do NOT have a problem with ANY politician that firmly stands on their base principles. That's not a problem


The problem is pattern. Pols like Massie, Paul, Murkowski, they often score consistently high on the baseline "conservative voting record" scales, but it fails to tell the whole story. When the margins for passage are razor-thin, it is almost always the same few names that are consistently popping up to hold the agenda back from passage and there is always some little piece of legitimate bullcrap in the bill that they use as their reasoning for refusal to support.

The issue is, every single one of these Uniparty Establishment bills are just absolutely crammed with pork and unnecessary spending. ALL of them. Why? Because there are VERY FEW politicians like Burchett and Luna that actually push hard to move EVERYTHING to stand-alone bills that leave out all the shenanigans and waste. So we have pols that seemingly stand firm "against the establishment" but it's almost always when their vote matters the most.

So can they be labeled as "principled" because of that? Sure, if you affix an "asterisk" to principled*. But Tim Burchett has eloquently explained it multiple times to where even a political sometimes-moron like myself can understand it easily. The way things are set up in our corrupt system, you often have to vote for a bill that has a lot of crap you hate in it, just to get the good things passed that lay a better framework for later strategies and improvements in future bills. It's literally the best they can do in the moment.

Don't use one little thing as a hangup to prevent the passage of an overall better bill that is more favorable to your party than the other party, when there are 15 other bills you don't make a huge stink about that are packed with legislation just as bad or even worse.

Sometimes we give them unnecessary praise or criticism, but they're truly stuck in a corrupt system. But watch when they "make a stand" more closely than where or why. And when they make this choice, and their vote is a deciding factor, would their support make the difference between passage and failure? That's what we need to be watching.

Green Beret with absolute truth. Listen up too, Thomas Massie.

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Nothing screams active participant like obstruction.

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We can continue deportation operations while simultaneously holding bad actors responsible for misconduct

We don't stop foreign wars because of the actions of some rogue soldiers who violated protocol. Things are no different with domestic and even local enforcement operations. Deportations should continue but if people are not conducting themselves within the accordance of our laws they can be held accountable.

I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept.

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Did Someone activate the gay bat signal?

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The TDS Powerbottom signal.

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I know trolling is your thing, but Paul and Massie are actual republicans, not MAGA.

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No, they’re not, you fricking tard. They’re RINO libertarians, not Republicans.

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quote:Their voting record score is above the average “conservative” in congress as rated by heritage. Not much consolation when you cower at the point the enemy's attacking

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But bro… please bro… haven’t you seen Massie and Rand’s “Liberty Scores?”