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re: Questions Protestants Can’t Answer
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:37 am to Night Vision
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:37 am to Night Vision
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Sounds like some pretty weak faith.
That your opinion. As I said before, I have never been able to figure out why so many Protestants care one way or another what Catholics believe or do. I can assure you that Catholics do not care what Protestants do.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 8:38 am
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:38 am to Ponchy Tiger
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I can assure you that you Catholics do not care what Protestants do.
You sure post a lot about Protestants for someone that doesn't care what they do.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:39 am to catholictigerfan
quote:
The above quote is one example of the Church being in Rome and the succession of bishops.
What does a geographical location have to do with what a religious body believes?
What does a label uses for religious leaders have to do with what a religious body believes?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:40 am to Night Vision
Just posting in this thread. Laughing at the complete ignorance of people that have no idea what they are talking about.
I guess you believe in the rapture also?
I guess you believe in the rapture also?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:41 am to DownSouthJukin
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So Jesus and God got it wrong
The only thing to "get wrong" is the interpretation of what primitives wrote thousands of years ago. If Christianity wasn't so malleable, it would've died off centuries ago.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:45 am to hnds2th
Jesus was not catholic.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:46 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Why do Baptists need a pastor?
They don’t really, considering how they change them out quite frequently when they deviate from sound biblical doctrine and or some other infraction that causes them to be replaced.
Pastors are very important, but their words are not infallible. They still have to measure up to scripture. God is still in control.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:49 am to TenWheelsForJesus
You might want to rethink that overall. Yes the Catholic Churches got rich, but that was not why they " restricted" the Bible.
You should probably do a little more research into the history of the Church to understand using priests who were educated in Church doctrine and scripture rather than relying on individuals . It was not as though the Church did not have experience with that very thing in the intervening 1500 years.
Numerous heresies popped up which would lead to violence and bloodshed.....the Arians and later the Albigensians come to mind.
You should probably do a little more research into the history of the Church to understand using priests who were educated in Church doctrine and scripture rather than relying on individuals . It was not as though the Church did not have experience with that very thing in the intervening 1500 years.
Numerous heresies popped up which would lead to violence and bloodshed.....the Arians and later the Albigensians come to mind.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:49 am to hnds2th
Jesus told us that you dont call anyone Father but God the Father…
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:16 am to Champagne
When did Jesus tell us to join your church? You say "His" church, but the Bible doesn't talk about Catholics or Protestants. It talks about believers in Christ being the church.
What the Catholic church did to twist scripture is exactly why the church split. Your doctrines cannot be found in the Bible. It's all vast inferences made from thin air, because the Catholic church has anointed itself as the authority of knowledge, over the Bible.
God left us His Word. We have everything we need there. The church does not exist to make new doctrine, or new revelation. It is there to teach what is, and what isn't Biblical, based on scripture, and for fellowship. Jesus is the head of the Church, not the Pope.
Nearly, if not the entire history of the Catholic church has been founded on tradition passed on from one generation to another, rather than scriptural authority. Do you really believe that people just suddenly decided in the 1500's that they had a problem with the church? You don't suppose the delay of the split off from the corrupt church had anything to do with the fact that the Pope had become almost as powerful as any king? You don't suppose that people were in fear of their lives over the thought of anyone hearing about their objections to the "authority" of the church? Is this not exactly what believers dealt with from the Pharisees and Sadducees?
What the Catholic church did to twist scripture is exactly why the church split. Your doctrines cannot be found in the Bible. It's all vast inferences made from thin air, because the Catholic church has anointed itself as the authority of knowledge, over the Bible.
God left us His Word. We have everything we need there. The church does not exist to make new doctrine, or new revelation. It is there to teach what is, and what isn't Biblical, based on scripture, and for fellowship. Jesus is the head of the Church, not the Pope.
Nearly, if not the entire history of the Catholic church has been founded on tradition passed on from one generation to another, rather than scriptural authority. Do you really believe that people just suddenly decided in the 1500's that they had a problem with the church? You don't suppose the delay of the split off from the corrupt church had anything to do with the fact that the Pope had become almost as powerful as any king? You don't suppose that people were in fear of their lives over the thought of anyone hearing about their objections to the "authority" of the church? Is this not exactly what believers dealt with from the Pharisees and Sadducees?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:25 am to RobbBobb
This is gonna light ya'll up, but ya'll are totally missing the point.
My only goal is to get to Heaven, ya'll goals may be different.
The only way you can do that is with total Faith in Jesus Christ. God has no interest in religions, none. There are no short cuts, God doesn't grade on the curve. By Faith alone is the only way.
There are Christians that will not go to Heaven, just like Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Hindus, etc., that will not make the cut. You can't work your way to Heaven. Good deeds, going to church and nightly prayers may make you feel good, but w/o Faith in the Son of God, you're gonna be left at the dock. Bull Shite doesn't work with God, he's heard it all.
My only goal is to get to Heaven, ya'll goals may be different.
The only way you can do that is with total Faith in Jesus Christ. God has no interest in religions, none. There are no short cuts, God doesn't grade on the curve. By Faith alone is the only way.
There are Christians that will not go to Heaven, just like Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Hindus, etc., that will not make the cut. You can't work your way to Heaven. Good deeds, going to church and nightly prayers may make you feel good, but w/o Faith in the Son of God, you're gonna be left at the dock. Bull Shite doesn't work with God, he's heard it all.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:56 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Why do we need a pope between us and God?
Uh, because Christ placed Peter as his rock, after Peter came Linus and so on and so on.
We don’t need a Pope between us and God (he is not), but even in the days of the early church doctrine decisions have to be made on authority inspired by the Holy Spirit otherwise you in up with 30,000+ denominations like Protestants have.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:08 am to RockoRou
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Faith alone is the only wa
Amen.
John 14: 15-31 The Holy Spirit will lead you.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:27 pm to tankyank13
Because you are not the original church. Paul started at least seven churches around Jerusalem, before Peter begged Paul to come help bail him out in Rome.
Centuries before Protestant Churched began. Try the actual truth for a change….or go back to praying to Mary.
Pagan rituals to appease the Romans.
Centuries before Protestant Churched began. Try the actual truth for a change….or go back to praying to Mary.
Pagan rituals to appease the Romans.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 2:01 pm to Champagne
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Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth
The Printing Press was invented
Once the Printing Press was invented, the truth was exposed to the world. The Bible was the first book printed. Once common folks read the truth, they are the children of God, then they began to ask, why am I being treated like a second class citizen.
Prior to the Printing Press the Upper Class told the Peasants that the upper class were descendants of God.
Didn't the Catholic Church give orders to kill all protestants throughout the middle ages.
Didn't they try to trick Martin Luther into visiting the Vatican.
Life changed quickly after the invention of the Printing Press and the common man learned to read..
Posted on 5/26/24 at 5:33 pm to imjustafatkid
Eastern Orthodox says hello.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:07 pm to hnds2th
quote:I'm curious as to what makes you think those questions can't be answered. Any entry level systematic theology explains the topic that was discussed. Have you read Grudem or Erickson?
Questions Protestants Can’t Answer
Perhaps you could elaborate on what you think can't be answered but, those doctrines are definitely well, well known to Protestants and explained quite clearly.
But I see that you probably won't elaborate because you posted the OP and then disappeared.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:17 pm to Champagne
quote:Protestantism was not "invented." The reformers were trying to purge the Catholic church of sinful behaviors committed by the leadership and of unbibilical teachings/practices. IOW, it was a return to biblical teaching that had existed since the time of Christ. The reformers were not at all trying to leave the Catholic church or start a new branch of Christianity but when the leadership was recalcitrant, people started leaving, rightfully so. The puzzling decisions of the council of Trent cemented the division.
Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth
quote:That's not at all what happened. People had been complaining about the foibles of the Catholic leadership for many years but the church held all the cards. They could prevent people from being betrothed, own land, have a job, own a business, etc. Not very Christlike behavior. In response to the burgeoning Reformation, the Catholic church devloped a standing army and then started attacking people who dissented, sparking the 30 years' war. Completely unjustifiable
It's absurd to conclude that Almighty God would withhold Ultimate Truth from us human beings for over 1,500 years, suddenly to reveal Ultimate Truth to a handful of people like Calvin and Zwingli.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:24 pm to Champagne
quote:Because he wasn't going to be here permanently
Why did Jesus choose a bunch of disciples and apostles to spread His message?
quote:He did
Why didn't Jesus just go around by Himself preaching?
quote:He didn't appoint leaders of the Church.
Why did Jesus found His Church on Earth, and then appoint the leaders of that Church?
quote:He already had the "bible," the Torah. His teachings expanded on what people were getting wrong about those doctrines.
Why didn't Jesus just leave us with the Bible before He ascended to Heaven?
quote:He essentially did that through his ministry and teachings. He left us with everything we need to know about having a relationship with God and about how to be redeemed.
Jesus could have dropped the complete Bible on us and said, "Here it is. It's all there. This is the whole Word of God."
quote:No he most certainly did not, not in the sense you are describing. Jesus was adamantly opposed to the "church" of his day and worked very hard to tear down the scaffolding that had been built up.
Jesus left a Church
quote:The reformers were Catholics and were very upset about this church you are advocating. They went to their deaths defending the Gospel against the bastardization that had developed and metastasized
You want to seek God outside of the Church that He told you to join?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:40 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:I wonder if you realize you just destroyed the Catholic church but, this does illuminate the duplicity of Catholics in regards to their perspective on the leadership. The church does not treat the Pope like he's just a regular person. If he's just a man, then why should anyone elevate what he says for interpretation or praxis over what anyone else thinks? In reality, what he says goes for everyone. If he doesn't like the way you part your hair, you can be excommunicated and unable to particpate in worship.
They are men just like anyone else
If the Pope is just a regular human, then he is not needed to be the dictator of the entire Christian congregation. Nothing in the bible suggests anything like a pope. What is mentioned are presbuteros, episkopos and diakonos. Those offices look nothing like the Catholic institutional structure.
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