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Questions on our military readiness and long term effects from this Iran failure
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:20 pm
From most accounts it appears we placed a lot of hope on the initial shock and awe of the bombings of Iran leading to a quick capitulation by the regime to make an favorable deal for us and/or the Iranian people rising up to overthrow them once we weakened them.
Then neither happened. Then of course the constant back and forth of deal or no deal with threats we didn’t follow through on. And ultimately this shite deal being made to end the conflict, which appears to be more in Irans favor than ours. And bad deals haven’t been Trumps forte. But this discussion isn’t about the deal itself but why we made it and why didn’t we continue to bomb, take Kharg Island, anything to add pressure? Or just go take the uranium ourselves using special forces like we did extracting Maduro?
To me this raises far more concerning questions regarding our military which is supposed to be by far more advanced and powerful than anyone else. And technology wise it is. But reading between the lines it seems we have some cool expensive shite but not near enough munitions for all of it. We do not have the capability to maintain a long term military occupation or bombing campaign against a formidable foe. And Iran, while formidable, is way behind many other adversaries i.e Russia and China. I fear this Iran war just exposed us as a paper tiger more or less. The world thinks our military is unstoppable and that idea largely protects our financial system with the petrodollar as the world reserve currency. Nobody really has had the balls to challenge that. Now there is uncertainty if we really are that far ahead of everyone else. Are we vulnerable? Are we focusing too much of our military budget on equipment and other things instead of stockpiling munitions? Did Biden simply give too much away to Ukraine and it will just take a couple years to restock? What the frick is 900 billion a year going to if we cannot even hand Iran a complete and total defeat? If that’s the return on investment we are getting for that price then we need to cut our budget to 250 billion, mind our business, and get our finances in order instead before the world realizes we can be beaten and decides to topple the house of cards we are propping up with a supposed unstoppable military force.
Then neither happened. Then of course the constant back and forth of deal or no deal with threats we didn’t follow through on. And ultimately this shite deal being made to end the conflict, which appears to be more in Irans favor than ours. And bad deals haven’t been Trumps forte. But this discussion isn’t about the deal itself but why we made it and why didn’t we continue to bomb, take Kharg Island, anything to add pressure? Or just go take the uranium ourselves using special forces like we did extracting Maduro?
To me this raises far more concerning questions regarding our military which is supposed to be by far more advanced and powerful than anyone else. And technology wise it is. But reading between the lines it seems we have some cool expensive shite but not near enough munitions for all of it. We do not have the capability to maintain a long term military occupation or bombing campaign against a formidable foe. And Iran, while formidable, is way behind many other adversaries i.e Russia and China. I fear this Iran war just exposed us as a paper tiger more or less. The world thinks our military is unstoppable and that idea largely protects our financial system with the petrodollar as the world reserve currency. Nobody really has had the balls to challenge that. Now there is uncertainty if we really are that far ahead of everyone else. Are we vulnerable? Are we focusing too much of our military budget on equipment and other things instead of stockpiling munitions? Did Biden simply give too much away to Ukraine and it will just take a couple years to restock? What the frick is 900 billion a year going to if we cannot even hand Iran a complete and total defeat? If that’s the return on investment we are getting for that price then we need to cut our budget to 250 billion, mind our business, and get our finances in order instead before the world realizes we can be beaten and decides to topple the house of cards we are propping up with a supposed unstoppable military force.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:23 pm to deltaland
You are aware that not one single boot has touched ground in Iran right?
This conflict has been going on for a whooping 4 months where 75% of that 4 months has been a ceesefire
It could not go more smoother than it has. Yes, there have been casualties which sucks but you people act like we are in Iraq part 2 which is not the case
This conflict has been going on for a whooping 4 months where 75% of that 4 months has been a ceesefire
It could not go more smoother than it has. Yes, there have been casualties which sucks but you people act like we are in Iraq part 2 which is not the case
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:28 pm to deltaland
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What the frick is 900 billion a year going to if we cannot even hand Iran a complete and total defeat?
That's been the golden question for decades. Why do we spend more than the next 6 countries combined?
About the Iran situation—there's a reason no other President has tried to bully them to make a deal. It's a pointless effort. How can you threaten someone with death if they're willing to kill themselves for what they believe in? It's the same as a street fight--if you are a person with something to live for you don't fight someone who has nothing to lose. You can't win.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:28 pm to FLTech
The concerning part besides lack of munitions is the lack of planning. We had no answer when they shut down the strait. Trump said we didn't see it coming.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:40 pm to deltaland
lol, assessment noted and filed in the corner basket
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:44 pm to FLTech
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You are aware that not one single boot has touched ground in Iran right?
Yes and this is not a bash on any service members. We have the best trained soldiers in the world there’s no doubt. But modern warfare is always changing. It seems swarms of cheap suicide drones and ballistic missiles can be effectively used against our advanced but limited in numbers tech. We quickly run out of the ability to protect our assets or to mount a long term offensive campaign due to lack of munitions, and without that ability our soldiers are at great risk if we did put boots on the ground. And for 900 billion a year that is unacceptable.
On a positive note this Iran war highlighted potential weaknesses for us and hopefully we go back to the drawing board to address them. Maybe less focus on developing the best tech and more on mass produced volume of effective defensive and offensive munitions. And develop ways to disable drone swarms.
It kind of resembles what cost Germany against Russia in WW2. Germany had superior tech and superior soldiers, but Russia had far more soldiers and mass produced cheaply made military hardware. Germanys military hardware was expensive and time consuming to replace while Russia just kept churning out tanks and mortars and throwing people at them until German troops ran out of supplies. This is a similar strategy by Iran with their drones and missiles and would be similar if we fought Russia or China. We are similar to WW2 Germany in this regard, we have the best tech and soldiers but those are not quickly nor cheaply replaced. Our opponent need merely to survive the initial shock and awe and then we are dead in the water and vulnerable to losing a war of attrition. This assuming its conventional warfare and no nukes involved
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:49 pm to Nosevens
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lol, assessment noted and filed in the corner basket
There’s no way you can see the outcome of this war and the odd way we went about bluffing during negotiations after hitting Iran so hard initially and not ask questions as to why it went that way? We had no answer when the initial attack didn’t yield desired results.
Was it simply incompetence or lack of backup planning?
Was it political pressure to not get into another Middle East quagmire?
Or was it something more serious such as lack of available munitions to continue the war? There were rumors of this. It’s a valid concern and question imo
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:54 pm to deltaland
Geez. What a fricking waste of words!!!
There have been only 40ish days of actual military action. Iran is in tatters.
They are no longer a legit threat in the ME.
I remember Col. McGregor and that retard Scott Ritter warning everyone how dangerous Iran was. How Iran would destroy Israel in a war with all of Irans ballistic missles and drones.
Lmao!!! What a fricking joke! Just like your silly post! Stop listening to the Marxist propaganda baw!
There have been only 40ish days of actual military action. Iran is in tatters.
They are no longer a legit threat in the ME.
I remember Col. McGregor and that retard Scott Ritter warning everyone how dangerous Iran was. How Iran would destroy Israel in a war with all of Irans ballistic missles and drones.
Lmao!!! What a fricking joke! Just like your silly post! Stop listening to the Marxist propaganda baw!
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:55 pm to deltaland
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We had no answer when the initial attack didn’t yield desired results.
The 40ish days of "war" have yielded exactly the desired results. Trumps team were clear and up front about their objectives.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:57 pm to deltaland
Our population has zero appetite for war short of being attacked again (this isn’t a bad thing). As soon as the bombings were ineffective, Trump was cooked.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:18 pm to NIH
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Trump was cooked.
Trump is cooked?? Lol
And Iran is stronger than ever?? Lol
Man..... some of you idiots around here must struggle remembering to fricking breathe!!! Geez!
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:20 pm to FLTech
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You are aware that not one single boot has touched ground in Iran right?
You are aware that this isn't true, right?
If you think we don't have special forces in Iran, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:21 pm to lake chuck fan
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Trumps team were clear and up front about their objectives.
Can you link us to those objectives?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:35 pm to deltaland
Or is this done knowing full well Iran cannot hold up their position because of their ongoing behavior towards America and Israel as well as their proxies behavior.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:49 pm to deltaland
Iran was not a failure.
It did show that the US depends on expensive missiles and equipment. The future is defending yourself from low cost drones as terror weapons.
We also have to build better offensive capabilities in these areas. Pilotless aircraft are also going to be necessary. Pilots will need to fly remotely.
It did show that the US depends on expensive missiles and equipment. The future is defending yourself from low cost drones as terror weapons.
We also have to build better offensive capabilities in these areas. Pilotless aircraft are also going to be necessary. Pilots will need to fly remotely.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:52 pm to deltaland
You sound like the same retards who think we lost Vietnam militarily lol we did nearly everything we wanted to do militarily. We “lost” politically, nothing more. You are being hysterical per usual
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:54 pm to No Colors
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You are aware that this isn't true, right?
If you think we don't have special forces in Iran, I don't know what to tell you.
And we built a runway there and rescued those pilots.
He wrote in hyperbole. His point was clear: we didn’t engage in a ground war.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:59 pm to deltaland
Treat it like your own personal suppository.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:05 pm to deltaland
We keep thinking that our missiles and planes can win wars. They don't. The Vietnameese outlasted us and now it looks like the Iranians are as well.
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