- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Question for judges and attorneys...Where does your morality (if any) come into play ?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:21 pm to chili pup
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:21 pm to chili pup
quote:
The purpose of a criminal lawyer is to try to let them back on the streets. Even though that lawyer actually knows that crime actually happened. A murder, rape, etc... they don't give a shite.
You're talking about Trump's attorneys, right?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:22 pm to chili pup
The purpose of a criminal defense lawyer is to ensure the integrity of the system by making sure the government plays by the same set of rules for all accused- both the guilty and the innocent.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
You spend every moment on TD. I’m not convinced you’re representing shite.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
You're talking about Trump's attorneys, right?
Remember!
No lawfare with your post.
You are caught putting the cart before the horse.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:25 pm to loogaroo
quote:
Huh?
Whatever you tell yourself to let you sleep at night.
Dude you sound retarded
He's being perfectly reasonable. A defense attorney is supposed to defend their client. Not gift the prosecution an easy win because the defendant may have done something bad.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:26 pm to loogaroo
Morality, laws, and ethics are not the same thing and aren't necessarily linked.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:27 pm to chili pup
quote:
Remember!
No lawfare with your post.
Lawfare? Why are changing the discussion?
quote:
You are caught putting the cart before the horse.
No. Just exposing internal biases masquerading as objectivity
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I have no idea what you think you just proved. Nothing I said was controversial or should evoke any such emotions
There is your problem. You use your profession as an excuse to ignore morality. Or or you have no morality or moral compass. You seem to perceive life only through the letter of the law. That is a lazy empty way to go through life.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:31 pm to loogaroo
quote:
You use your profession as an excuse to ignore morality.
I believe in morality in my personal life.
I also understand morality and the law are 2 very different and separate things.
Again, you did not prove what you think you did.
quote:
Or or you have no morality or moral compass.
quote:
You seem to perceive life only through the letter of the law.
No I spoke only of the profession of the law being perceived through the letter of the law.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:32 pm to loogaroo
quote:
You use your profession as an excuse to ignore morality.
The more likely reality: you aren't very smart
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:32 pm to Powerman
quote:
Dude you sound retarded
He's being perfectly reasonable. A defense attorney is supposed to defend their client. Not gift the prosecution an easy win because the defendant may have done something bad.
Look...Another one that lacks a moral compass.
Has honor and human decency left you sir?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:32 pm to loogaroo
How do you apply your individual morality to a macro system with thousands of moving parts, inputs, outputs, and varying factual scenarios?
Much less SFP’s or mine or anyone else’s?
Your question lies on a faulty premise.
Much less SFP’s or mine or anyone else’s?
Your question lies on a faulty premise.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I also understand morality and the law are 2 very different and separate things.
Why?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:35 pm to loogaroo
quote:
Look...Another one that lacks a moral compass.
Has honor and human decency left you sir?
Let's throw out a hypothetical
You're a defense attorney and you "think" that your client is guilty but you don't know for sure. What do you do in that case?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:35 pm to loogaroo
quote:
Why?
Morality is subjective based on cultural traditions
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
No. Just exposing internal biases masquerading as objectivity
Tell me you have no common sense without telling me you have no common sense.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:36 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
How do you apply your individual morality to a macro system with thousands of moving parts, inputs, outputs, and varying factual scenarios?
Don't choose the easy way out and use your profession as an excuse to ignore it.
Basically...have some balls.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:36 pm to loogaroo
quote:
I know this. I guess the better question is: Can you knowingly defend a guilty criminal because it's "your profession"?
Yes I could knowingly defend a guilty criminal. Most accused criminals did the thing they’re accused of doing.
I don’t do criminal defense work, bc I don’t want to have to hang out with violent scary gross people. It would scare me and make me squeamish and I’d be scared to be in the same room as my own client. So, I probably would be conflicted. Meaning, I’m concerned that I would be too emotionally put off to provide the zealous defense my client, and the rest of us need to be able to depend on an atty’s ability to do that bc the rest of us would just get rickrolled.
I wish I were less of a ninny, but I know myself. I’m scared of raccoons and possums in my attic, you think I wouldn’t be petrified of some gangbanger??
I could do white collar criminal defense, however. Usually nobody is raped or dead, and the defendant is usually a dirtbag. Even if my client were a dirtbag, he deserves a defense. And some of those rules are disproportionately enforced against smaller businesses when companies that are really corrupt aren’t ever charged with anything.
For example: I’d have been willing to represent the Exxon Valdez Captain, but not Exxon. BC Exxon and the DOJ/EPA would be looking for a freaking scapegoat.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:36 pm to chili pup
Let me ask you this:
Would it be better and more just for society if we as a society just lay down for the state and grant them wide sanction? Should it be better for all involved though if we make the state periodically work for it, prove in a public setting the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt with the accused giving a full throated defense?
So many criminal proceedings though are nothing more than process. Bring a defendant in, present the charges, lay out what the state has and the DA offers a deal for expediency.
Would it be better and more just for society if we as a society just lay down for the state and grant them wide sanction? Should it be better for all involved though if we make the state periodically work for it, prove in a public setting the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt with the accused giving a full throated defense?
So many criminal proceedings though are nothing more than process. Bring a defendant in, present the charges, lay out what the state has and the DA offers a deal for expediency.
Popular
Back to top



2







