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re: Question for judges and attorneys...Where does your morality (if any) come into play ?

Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:33 pm to
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Yours or theirs?

Both
Posted by BozemanTiger
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:36 pm to
As it stands today, real estate brokers and agents are held to higher ethical standards by local boards than attorneys are by any ABA.

There are examples of this phenomenon right here on TD itself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:37 pm to
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Whatever you tell yourself to let you sleep at night.

It's true.

It's a system of rules and evidence.

NC has taken umbrage at this statement before, but it's not even about the truth. The truth is for philosophy. Litigation is about evidence.

This is why so much content about lawyers isn't about what it's like to be a lawyer D2D, and they turn it into a search for the truth like it's a detective show, where the show isn't about the law but finding that piece of evidence that shows the truth.
Posted by BozemanTiger
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:37 pm to


What are the phucking odds. . .
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:38 pm to
Morality has nothing to do with it. It’s a dedication to the principles enshrined in the Constitution.

Everyone is equal before the law and everyone is innocent until proven guilty by competent evidence.

Police make a lot of mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes lead to a defendant being acquitted.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:42 pm to
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attorneys


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Morality




Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:47 pm to
Criminal lawyers know that we all have a right to an attorney.

These lawyers are defending that right, and the other procedural and substantive due process rights that are available to all of us.

The purpose of a criminal defense is not to excuse or defend the morality of the accused.
Posted by bird35
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:48 pm to
I’m not an attorney, I’ve never even been inside a courtroom. And I firmly believe criminals need to be removed from society so non-criminals can live in peace.

But every person no matter how awful needs a good defense.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:51 pm to
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Judges have to judge based on the law, not their morality.


Found the guy who has never met a judge, or might be a 1st year law student.

The law is irrelevant. Judges use the law to get them a legal argument they favor. They tell their law clerks, "This is what I want to do, get me there."

Ever wonder how the Supreme Court Justices all have the same access to the US Constitution, the same set of facts, and access the same case law...yet we still get 5 to 4 decisions?

It's whimsy and their individual values.
Posted by Rex Feral
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:52 pm to
Yall remember the judge who posted on here about signing off on some celebrity’s adoption? He got disbarred over that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:01 pm to
No he had to withdraw from an election because of that. He got disbarred for taking a bribe to lower a jury verdict.

RIP geauxjudge

*ETA: for anyone who doesn't know the story, the adoption was for Charlize Theron.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 7:03 pm
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:10 pm to
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No he had to withdraw from an election because of that. He got disbarred for taking a bribe to lower a jury verdict. RIP geauxjudge *ETA: for anyone who doesn't know the story, the adoption was for Charlize Theron.


10-4.

He sounds like a real dumbass.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:11 pm to
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He sounds like a real dumbass.


Looks like one, too



Posted by chili pup
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Judges have to judge based on the law, not their morality.


Lawfare propaganda.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Criminal lawyers know that we all have a right to an attorney.

These lawyers are defending that right, and the other procedural and substantive due process rights that are available to all of us.

The purpose of a criminal defense is not to excuse or defend the morality of the accused.


I know this. I guess the better question is: Can you knowingly defend a guilty criminal because it's "your profession"?

Using the Trump case as another example in the opposite sense...How can a prosecutor prosecute someone they know to be innocent or purely persecuted?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:16 pm to
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Can you knowingly defend a guilty criminal because it's "your profession"?

Sure. Why not?

Again, trials are not about the truth.

Most important rulings that protect average Americans rely on unsavory Defendants.

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How can a prosecutor prosecute someone they know to be innocent or purely persecuted?

It is very likely they don't see it this way.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:19 pm to
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Can you knowingly defend a guilty criminal because it's "your profession"?

Sure. Why not?

Again, trials are not about the truth.

Most important rulings that protect average Americans rely on unsavory Defendants.

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How can a prosecutor prosecute someone they know to be innocent or purely persecuted?

It is very likely they don't see it this way.


Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:20 pm to
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How can a prosecutor prosecute someone they know to be innocent or purely persecuted?


They're not supposed to as I recall.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:21 pm to
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The purpose of a criminal defense is not to excuse or defend the morality of the accused.


The purpose of a criminal lawyer is to try to let them back on the streets. Even though that lawyer actually knows that crime actually happened. A murder, rape, etc... they don't give a shite.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:21 pm to
I have no idea what you think you just proved. Nothing I said was controversial or should evoke any such emotions
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