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re: Putin was allowed to speak on Croatia TV per X? Did not see a post. Interesting if True.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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An article by Yahoo national security correspondent Zach Dorfman praising U.S. intelligence agencies for accurately predicting Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine inadvertently highlights the extent of Washington’s military provocations in Ukraine during the period before the outbreak of hostilities. Those measures went well beyond the ill-advised political decision on the part of George Bush’s administration and its successors to push for Ukraine’s admission to NATO.
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Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.
2021:
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Since Joe Biden became president, the efforts by Ukraine and its admirers in the United States to secure membership have increased. In February, the slavishly pro-Ukraine Atlantic Council of the United States highlighted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s plaintive question: “Why is Ukraine still not in NATO?” The Council featured an article by Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dymytro Kuleba, making the case that correcting that situation was long overdue. In September, Zelenskiy pressed Biden to increase his efforts to secure NATO membership for his country. “If we are talking about NATO and the MAP, I would really like to get (from Biden) specifics – yes or no,” Zelenskiy said. “We must get clear dates and the likelihood of this for Ukraine.”
Me:
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The natural conclusion of EU integration is NATO Membership
SFP:
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Assumption neither in evidence or logic.
Brother what the fuk are you saying. No facts or evidence we’re trying to force them into NATO?
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 6:29 pm
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:27 pm to Strannix
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The fact is the founders and leaders of Global Bolshevism want to destroy us, Russia is standing in their way.
Thank you sir
Correct
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:28 pm to AncientTiger
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Did Russia sacrifice 20 million people in World War II to get rid of the Nazis? YES
While Ukrainians greeted Hitler’s army as liberators
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:29 pm to Proximo
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Bro everyone knows this is the case. Why do you continue to deny it?
You just argued it wasn't the case.
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Russia would thwart it after being provoked for over a decade though
You're just trying to pivot and justify why they started the conflict.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:30 pm to SDVTiger
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Yeah Russian
Slavic =/= Russian
They don't even have a single language.
Do you think Ukrainian is like Russian is like Polish is like Romanian?
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That you are an idiot making the claim hes moving in on Europe
I'm not making the claims, technically.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:31 pm to Proximo
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Brother what the fuk are you saying. No facts or evidence we’re trying to force them into NATO?
After Russia invaded in Ukraine in 2014 AFTER Russia began this conflict in 2013 by thwarting EU integration? Yeah, you could see why Ukraine pivoted to NATO. The writing for a second invasion was on the wall, especially once Russia devolved its economy/SOL to become "sanction proof".
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You just argued it wasn't the case.
Stop lying. What wasn’t the case? I made a typo and wrote “would” instead of “wouldn’t”.
The line below it shows my stance in that Russia WOULD thwart integration.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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After Russia invaded in Ukraine in 2014 AFTER Russia began this conflict in 2013 by thwarting EU integration? Yeah, you could see why Ukraine pivoted to NATO. The writing for a second invasion was on the wall, especially once Russia devolved its economy/SOL to become "sanction proof".
GEORGE W BUSH WAS TRYING TO AS WELL AS OBAMA.
What are you talking about
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:33 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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While Ukrainians greeted Hitler’s army as liberators
That's leaving out some context, primarily the invasion of Ukraine by the USSR and, you know, Holodomor
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:35 pm to Proximo
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I made a typo and wrote “would” instead of “wouldn’t”.
Then you need to answer the questions, b/c that typo is why you avoided answering them.
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Russia WOULD thwart integration.
Wait, so this is your stance? That Russia would thwart Ukraine-EU integration and the West/globalists would NOT?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:35 pm to Proximo
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GEORGE W BUSH WAS TRYING TO AS WELL AS OBAMA.
It's time you just answered the questions and stopped pivoting to random irrelevance.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:38 pm to AncientTiger
Amen. The powers that be so desperately want for all Americans to not only fear, but hate Russia. Sure, their society and culture are different from ours, but it’s their country. If their people want something different, they can rise up and make a change. For over 50 years, we’ve worked hard to make them an enemy so that pieces of shite here could get rich from it. It’s always about money. Russia is the only developed nation on the planet that has told the globalist to go frick themselves…and the globalist scum are determined to change that.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Wait, so this is your stance? That Russia would thwart Ukraine-EU integration and the West/globalists would NOT?
You’re telling me I argued it wasn’t the case that the west caused the coup. Right? Read the articles I posted and report back with your questions. All of your “questions” were based on a faulty interpretation so I’m ignoring them because you don’t make sense.
Russia does not want Ukraine in the EU. The west has been pushing for Ukraine to be in NATO since 2004. What’s so hard to understand about that?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:40 pm to Proximo
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Brother what the fuk are you saying. No facts or evidence we’re trying to force them into NATO?
He doesn’t even know the difference between Russia and Puerto Rico
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:41 pm to AncientTiger
The difference between Russia and the US and Europe is the press coverage of its assassinations.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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time you just answered the questions and stopped pivoting to random irrelevance.
bullshite. You’re trying to say they’re ONLY NOW pushing for Ukraine admission in NATO after the events of 2014 because Russia is a big, bad bully
That’s just unequivocally false and implodes your entire argument
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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When was Zelensky elected? 2019. Yes, he ousted the person you just claimed replaced Yanukovych after the CIA and Obama placed that replacement in office. Zelensky ousted the purported "globalist" "puppet". All the arguments about this "coup" die once Z does this in 2019. Or then you have to start pivoting irrationally to then claim how weak the West/Globalists were (because if they were that powerful, Zelensky never wins that race)
Wrong. Any number of things could’ve happened in between the time the prior leader was installed to piss Obama off and want a replacement installed.
Biden was heavily involved in Ukraine during 2017-18, remember?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:46 pm to SDVTiger
quote:Russian and Slavic are two vastly different things.
You mean Slavic?
Yeah Russian
Russian is a nationality. Slavic is a race/ethnicity.
Ukrainians are Slavic. Some Russians are Slavic but not all.
Your ignorance is eye-opening.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:50 pm to Proximo
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You’re telling me I argued it wasn’t the case that the west caused the coup. Right? R
Well you said you had a typo then doubled down on the original point, so I was letting you clarify with a specific question.
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All of your “questions” were based on a faulty interpretation so I’m ignoring them because you don’t make sense.
The "faulty interpretation" is that the West or Globalists started the conflict in Ukraine in 2013.
My questions are showing how the argument doesn't work.
It makes no sense for the West/Globalists to thwart UK-EU integration. That would be "globalism" or "Western imperialism" to get UK into the fold, correct/
It makes total sense for Russia to thwart UK-EU integration, for obvious reasons (that I can get into if you want).
It makes no sense for the West/Globalists to lie about the above and lead on the EU and population/government of UK
It makes total sense for Russia to lie about the above and lead on the EU and population/government of UK
It makes no sense for the West/Globalists to then agree to an unfavorable trade deal with Russia.
It makes total sense for Russia to then force an agreement to an unfavorable trade deal with Russia.
It makes no sense for the West/Globalists to create a coup in UK in 2013 if they had the power to do the above shenanigans and tomfoolery. They would just do the will of the West/Globalists (which would be, in this hypo, to thwart EU integration after stalling/lying and then agreeing to an unpopular and unfavorable trade deal with Russia). No need for a coup/puppet.
And, you still haven't come up with anything to make sense of how Z has anything to do with 2013/2014 at all.
If your theory about the West/Globalists and this "coup" are true, Zelensky fought them and won by ousting the puppet in 2019. The influence of the West/Globalists would then be nill at that point, under the hypo/theory. Now, if you want to argue that doesn't make sense, if you read above, a lot of the hypo doesn't make sense. It's on brand.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:50 pm to Proximo
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You’re trying to say they’re ONLY NOW pushing for Ukraine admission in NATO after the events of 2014 because Russia is a big, bad bully
Was there much, if any, evidence of this prior to Maidan?
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