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re: Putin was allowed to speak on Croatia TV per X? Did not see a post. Interesting if True.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:51 pm to Proximo
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:51 pm to Proximo
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Wrong. Any number of things could’ve happened in between the time the prior leader was installed to piss Obama off and want a replacement installed.
Here we go.
When the conspiracy theory is proven wrong, just create a new level
It makes no sense to argue the all powerful West had to elect a new puppet, especially since it took a coup to do it last time, apparently.
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If your theory about the West/Globalists and this "coup" are true, Zelensky fought them and won by ousting the puppet in 2019. The influence of the West/Globalists would then be nill at that point,
January 2018 Biden brags to the press that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired for digging into Burisma.
Zelensky installed in 2019 because the prior regime bucked on the U.S.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:52 pm to Proximo
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January 2018 Biden brags to the press that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired for digging into Burisma.
Zelensky installed in 2019 because the prior regime bucked on the U.S.
I love how you ignore the rest to focus on this straw-grasping, especially with your "factual" "trust me bro" citations
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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When the conspiracy theory is proven wrong, just create a new level
I’m the one bringing facts and actual journalism to this discussion backing up my points my man. You on the other hand keep calling the Maidan Coup a conspiracy
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's leaving out some context, primarily the invasion of Ukraine by the USSR and, you know, Holodomor
Pick your poison
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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love how you ignore the rest to focus on this straw-grasping, especially with your "factual" "trust me bro" citations
I focused on that section because it distilled your points
Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can you do me a solid and log in as Hank again? All this back and forth between accounts is confusing.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Was there much, if any, evidence of this prior to Maidan?
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The split between Washington and both Paris and Berlin about admitting Ukraine to NATO emerged clearly in 2008 when President George W. Bush lobbied ferociously for extending such an invitation
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U.S. leaders did not give up, however, nor did Kiev. Barack Obama’s administration continued a campaign to admit Ukraine to the alliance,
Yes there is ample evidence that the US was pressing for Ukrainian nato membership from 2004-14
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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love how you ignore the rest to focus on this straw-grasping, especially with your "factual" "trust me bro" citations
You pooped your pants again. Get someone to change your underwear
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Read this
SFP, spend the $25 and get this book. It’s not fan fiction. 1/2 of every page is sites with receipts to declassified documents and interviews. You have no clue what you are talking about. It’s a long book but worth it.
SFP, spend the $25 and get this book. It’s not fan fiction. 1/2 of every page is sites with receipts to declassified documents and interviews. You have no clue what you are talking about. It’s a long book but worth it.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:12 pm to BigPerm30
SlowFag is the guy that thought Bush was literally Hitler for the US getting involved in the Middle East but now totally supports the US getting involved in Eastern Europe.
His beliefs are tied to which party is supporting intervention. If republicans are supporting it, he’s against it, if democrats support it then he’s all for it.
His beliefs are tied to which party is supporting intervention. If republicans are supporting it, he’s against it, if democrats support it then he’s all for it.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:14 pm to Proximo
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I focused on that section because it distilled your points
It specifically did not. Z and 2013/2014 are separate arguments.
Z is much less important than 2013/2014. You ignored 2013/2014
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:14 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Pick your poison
Well sure, but it's not this "gotcha", especially in the modern context.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:15 pm to Proximo
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I’m the one bringing facts and actual journalism to this discussion backing up my points my man.
Everything I said can be backed up with facts, but you're ignoring that to create discussions about irrelevant things not being discussed and then citing "trust me bro" and "connect the dot" "sources"
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well sure, but it's not this "gotcha", especially in the modern context.
The “modern context” certainly didn’t stop your dumbass from responding with historical context.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:17 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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SlowFag is the guy that thought Bush was literally Hitler f
Starting off with a lie
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for the US getting involved in the Middle East
I did not approve the invasion of Iraq
I don't approve of US having any sort of meaningful presence on the ground in Ukraine, either (excluding special forces and intel specifically, which is not an invasion in any context).
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but now totally supports the US getting involved in Eastern Europe.
Another lie.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:17 pm to AncientTiger
So long as we ignore the Ukrainian invasion he's never attacked Europe.
In general though I find that we don't need to deal with despotic leaders like Putin. Russia is not much more than a large cartel of gangsters at the top. Why would countries who value democracy desire to work with countries like that more than we have to. Anyone who takes Putin at his word is a fool.
In general though I find that we don't need to deal with despotic leaders like Putin. Russia is not much more than a large cartel of gangsters at the top. Why would countries who value democracy desire to work with countries like that more than we have to. Anyone who takes Putin at his word is a fool.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP. Time to let it Go. You’ve dominated this thread.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:17 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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The “modern context” certainly didn’t stop your dumbass from responding with historical context.
Yes because bringing it up in the first place was illogical.
I just showed why, with historical context.
You can continue to double down on the illogical if you wish. You were already busted lying twice in the last post of your's to which I responded.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
The rest of it talks about the west as one entity when it wasn’t always the case. The United States led the charge on nato membership and had to convince the euro leaders.
For that reason it’s a flawed thought process that gets you to arguing it doesn’t make sense for the USA to initiate the coup.
It actually makes a ton of sense if Europe wasn’t 100% on board in ‘13/14. The U.S. installs its puppet and doesn’t need nato membership, problem solved
For that reason it’s a flawed thought process that gets you to arguing it doesn’t make sense for the USA to initiate the coup.
It actually makes a ton of sense if Europe wasn’t 100% on board in ‘13/14. The U.S. installs its puppet and doesn’t need nato membership, problem solved
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