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re: Prosecutors are going to struggle to find anything the 'necks did that breaks a Ga law.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:40 am to jimdog
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:40 am to jimdog
It's much cooler to make a decision based solely off the minimum amount of facts presented thru the media and to shame whites for yet another senseless race killing than to wait and hear all the facts. You know, like people do for nearly every white on black killing in this country. There is usually a lot more to it. Ferguson, MO says hello.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:41 am to KiwiHead
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They were vigilantes pure and simple
This case notwithstanding, this country could use MORE vigilantism....
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:46 am to Geauxboy
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It's much cooler to make a decision based solely off the minimum amount of facts presented thru the media and to shame whites for yet another senseless race killing than to wait and hear all the facts. You know, like people do for nearly every white on black killing in this country. There is usually a lot more to it. Ferguson, MO says hello.
Unfortunately, that isn't profitable. Everyone should sit back and get the facts prior to fanning the flames.
The premature "outrage" been proven numerous times to be wrong.
Sad situation, that's for sure. In the end, it will come down to whatever decision the judge and jury make. Definitely not TD, Twitter or any other social media platforms.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:43 am to jimdog
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This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:45 am to SECFan1995
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This case might end up in front of a grand jury instead of a regular one. IF it ends up in front of a grand jury, the rules are different in voting. 1 vote not to convict doesn't make it a mistrial, it's a case where the most votes on the grand jury to do such and such is taken.
It's not up for grand jury.
This entire post is incorrect lol.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:45 am to SECFan1995
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This case might end up in front of a grand jury
Of course it will; all superior court cases are indicted in front of a grand jury before trial.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to jimdog
If you get out of a pick up truck and point an effing shotgun at an unarmed person who until that point was of no danger to you, and who ends up dead from that gun, prosecutors should have no problem at all finding a charge.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:13 pm to jimdog
In many ways, I do NOT want you to be correct. But I fear you are.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:14 pm to oogabooga68
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this country could use MORE vigilantism....
What could possibly go wrong
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:17 pm to the808bass
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Just a couple weeks too late for the McMichaels.
The bill was never voted on by the full General Assembly thanks to the session being halted due to the pandemic. Brandishing a weapon is still a crime.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:28 pm to Damone
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What could possibly go wrong
Not much more than is already going wrong.
When Prosecutors decide that stealing $750 bucks of someones' hard-earned stuff isn't something they want to deal with, the cities are going straight into the zhitter.
If our elected officials/Overlords won't do their jobs, someone should do their jobs for them.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:45 pm to ShortyRob
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These dudes are gonna walk.
BOOM! More video. Based on the video released so far, I agree with your statement. Having said that there is additional video evidence of a suspect (resembling Arbery) filmed on four different occasions, inside a home at night. IMO that is criminal trespassing. The visits go as far back as October, 2019.
So, when Travis & Gregory McMichael jumped in that pickup to pursue the suspect (Arbery) they intended to detain a suspect whom they believed was the guy trespassing on those four separate ocassions. And that suspect was Ahmaud Arbery. Gregory McMichael clearly stated that in his statement to the police at the time of the shooting.
BINGO!! Probable Cause.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:52 pm to GeorgePaton
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they intended to detain a suspect whom they believed was the guy trespassing
No matter how many times this needs explaining, it doesn’t change the fact that this is not legal in the state of Georgia
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:59 pm to jimdog
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And you have posters here screaming murder but the state cannot prove up a murder case for following someone, asking that person to stop and talk (presumably about his trespassing or other suspected neighborhood activities) and then shooting the guy when he attacked you and tried to take your firearm. Not under Georgia law.
Since it is Georgia law, why don't you defer to someone who has actually passed the Georgia bar exam?
"Georgia law allows for a citizen’s arrest in a felony crime committed in one’s presence, said Arora, who is currently a criminal defense attorney in Atlanta. But a citizen can only use reasonable force to detain a person and deadly force cannot be used unless it’s to prevent a forcible felony or for self-defense.
Since the McMichaels initiated the confrontation with the weapons it will be difficult for them to claim self-defense and what appears on the security video doesn’t justify their actions, he said."
LINK
Prosecutors are going to struggle to find anything the 'necks did that breaks a Ga law?
Seriously? Are you out of your fricking mind?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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they intended to detain a suspect whom they believed was the guy trespassing
No matter how many times this needs explaining, it doesn’t change the fact that this is not legal in the state of Georgia
It's surprising how many posters on this board apparently can't fricking read.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:03 pm to GeorgePaton
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Actually, that is factually incorrect. The men were simply trying to detain Arbery until the police arrived. Unfortunately Arbery went violent on Travis and charged him. A scuffle ensued and the son had to use deadly force to defend himself.
Another poster apparently who is incapable of reading the Georgia law as has been posted on this board umpteen times.
1. They had no legal right to detain him.
2. They had no right to hold him at gunpoint.
Period. End of fricking discussion.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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If you get out of a pick up truck and point an effing shotgun at an unarmed person who until that point was of no danger to you, and who ends up dead from that gun, prosecutors should have no problem at all finding a charge.
Unfortunately for the prosecutors, this is not what happened.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:05 pm to BuckyCheese
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he did not have the agency under GA law to enact a "citizen's arrest"
Yes he did.
It has been shown a number of times they did not, so you'll have to provide a bit more than "yes he did" to change opinions on that.
This.
Again, you have to be a special kind of stupid to not be able to grasp the Georgia law regarding citizen's arrest as has been posted on this board ad infinitum.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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No matter how many times this needs explaining, it doesn’t change the fact that this is not legal in the state of Georgia
I don't know how many times I have to explain this to folks, the DA in his letter to the head (Captain Tom Jump) of Glynn Center Police Department stated under Item 3, "It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William were following, in 'hot pursuit' a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood.It appears their intent was to stop and hold him this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal" (emphasis mine)
That suspect they were in pursuit of was one Ahmaud Arbery, the same suspect filmed on those four different ocassions inside that house at night. That evidence establishes that the neighborhood was experiencing repeated incidents of criminal trespassing, and it was happening at night.
Again, probable cause to pursue a suspect. Not to do him violence but to detain him for police. Police who were on the way. Our pal Arbery initatied the violent act that led to his untimely death.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:18 pm to GeorgePaton
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A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. - OCGA 17-4-60. (emphasis mine)
What was the damn felony the guy allegedly committed?
Idiot.
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