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re: Professor of Law at Chapman & Senior Fellow "Harris not leagally qualified for VP"
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:39 pm to ImaObserver
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:39 pm to ImaObserver
You have a link to any of that?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:42 pm to ImaObserver
quote:
In the U.S.A. we have 4 general types of citizens:
1. Naturalized citizens, those who come here from other countries and get naturalized by law as us citizens.
2. Birthplace citizens, (questionable) born in this country, but with circumstances of parentage that gives them some level of inherited foreign allegiance, such as dual citizenship, in other countries.
3. Birthright citizens, children born to at least one qualifying citizen parent, regardless of birthplace. These too may have some level of inherited foreign allegiance.
4. Natural Born citizens, those born in the US or within it;s dominion, to two legal US citizen parents who can only naturally have US citizenship and no other allegiances to any other country.
Per Article 2 of the Constitution, only the 4th level of citizenship qualifies one for the Presidency.
The hell? Where are you coming up with this? Lol
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:55 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Cheeze and Crackers, a whole discussion board full of "certified" lawyers and they cannot do their own research on immigration law?? STUDY AND LEARN, don't just look at the cliff's notes on the whitewashed legal sites like the posting on the Harvard Law review that published a whitewash of Obozo's eligibility that was specifically written by two of his school buddies to support his eligibility.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:59 pm to ImaObserver
So not even a case or a cite or anything?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:02 pm to ImaObserver
You made the claims bud. I’m asking for your supporting documentation because what you posted is nonsense.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:05 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:38 am to ImaObserver
Wanna quote anything from that to support your post? Where does it say there are 4 levels of citizenship and that only one of them qualifies you to be president?
Posted on 8/14/20 at 6:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
Four pages of complete and utter nonsense.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 6:59 am to ImaObserver
quote:Ladies & Gentlemen, this piece of brilliance is an example of why laypersons should not try to interpret the law.
In the U.S.A. we have 4 general types of citizens:
1. Naturalized citizens, those who come here from other countries and get naturalized by law as us citizens.
2. Birthplace citizens, (questionable) born in this country, but with circumstances of parentage that gives them some level of inherited foreign allegiance, such as dual citizenship, in other countries.
3. Birthright citizens, children born to at least one qualifying citizen parent, regardless of birthplace. These too may have some level of inherited foreign allegiance.
4. Natural Born citizens, those born in the US or within it;s dominion, to two legal US citizen parents who can only naturally have US citizenship and no other allegiances to any other country.
Per Article 2 of the Constitution, only the 4th level of citizenship qualifies one for the Presidency.
2-4 are ALL “natural born citizens” for purposes of eligibility as POTUS. Randomly naming the various routes to citizenship does not change that.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 7:03 am
Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:03 am to ImaObserver
quote:
Ok legal scholars, start HERE!
oh man, you posted a website with selected sentences as "proof"
show me how to avoid paying taxes, next
and, after that, show me how it's not illegal to use a cardboard cutout for my license plate
Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:09 am to Jjdoc
quote:Chapman University (Fowler) is ranked No. 111 ... USNWR
Professor of law, Chapman University
Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Since it seems to be too difficult for some to learn by do ing their own homework, here are some excerpts :
Page 73 - Decision Slaughter-House Cases (invalidates "Anchor Babies")
""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The first observation we have to make on this clause is, that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States."
From the Senate debate on the 14th Amendment:
"Howard, when introducing the addition to the Amendment, stated that it was "the law of the land already" and that it excluded only "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers". Others also agreed that the children of ambassadors and foreign ministers were to be excluded. Concerning the children born in the United States to parents who are not U.S. citizens (and not foreign diplomats), however, three senators, including Trumbull, as well as President Andrew Johnson, debated how both the Civil Rights Act and the Citizenship Clause could confer citizenship on them at birth, and Trumbull stated that "What do we [the committee reporting the clause] mean by 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States'? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."[18] Senator Reverdy Johnson of Maryland commented that subject to the jurisdiction thereof in the proposed amendment undoubtedly meant the same thing as "not subject to some foreign power",--"
Wong Kim-Arc:
"In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court held that, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a legal permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States. More broadly, the court characterized the statement, All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States as "the broad and clear words of the Constitution", ruling that Wong's U.S. citizenship had been acquired by birth and had not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth.
In Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Environment (1998) the court said “jurisdiction is a word of many, too many, meanings.” Therefore, it is important to discover the operational meaning behind “subject to the jurisdiction” as employed under the Fourteenth Amendment rather than assuming its meaning from other usages of the word jurisdiction alone. Both Sen. Trumbull and Sen. Howard provide the answer, with Trumbull declaring:
The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
Page 73 - Decision Slaughter-House Cases (invalidates "Anchor Babies")
""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The first observation we have to make on this clause is, that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States."
From the Senate debate on the 14th Amendment:
"Howard, when introducing the addition to the Amendment, stated that it was "the law of the land already" and that it excluded only "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers". Others also agreed that the children of ambassadors and foreign ministers were to be excluded. Concerning the children born in the United States to parents who are not U.S. citizens (and not foreign diplomats), however, three senators, including Trumbull, as well as President Andrew Johnson, debated how both the Civil Rights Act and the Citizenship Clause could confer citizenship on them at birth, and Trumbull stated that "What do we [the committee reporting the clause] mean by 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States'? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."[18] Senator Reverdy Johnson of Maryland commented that subject to the jurisdiction thereof in the proposed amendment undoubtedly meant the same thing as "not subject to some foreign power",--"
Wong Kim-Arc:
"In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court held that, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a legal permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States. More broadly, the court characterized the statement, All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States as "the broad and clear words of the Constitution", ruling that Wong's U.S. citizenship had been acquired by birth and had not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth.
In Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Environment (1998) the court said “jurisdiction is a word of many, too many, meanings.” Therefore, it is important to discover the operational meaning behind “subject to the jurisdiction” as employed under the Fourteenth Amendment rather than assuming its meaning from other usages of the word jurisdiction alone. Both Sen. Trumbull and Sen. Howard provide the answer, with Trumbull declaring:
The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:14 am to ImaObserver
quote:So, what was her parents' situation exactly?
a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a legal permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:16 am to AlxTgr
quote:
So, what was her parents' situation exactly?
Kamala's parents were not Legal permanent residents, but were here on student visas
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:18 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
I surely hope this isn't the attack platform Team Trump will run with
Me neither but someone not Trump could sue and force the interpretation of the 14th into the courts and spotlight...
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:23 am to AlxTgr
quote:
So, what was her parents' situation exactly?
They were here on student visa and then moved to Canada.
Here is a glowing review of her life:
LINK
Harris was born in Oakland to parents who had come to California to study at UC Berkeley.
Harris and her mother lived in Montreal and its Westmount neighborhood. Harris graduated from Westmount High School in 1981.
She may very well be eligible. Nothing wrong with asking the question and starting a conversation.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:26 am to The Maj
Trump may nudge it to wake his base up, but he won't run with this.
It's always a legit question to ask under these circumstances.
It's always a legit question to ask under these circumstances.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 9:35 am to Jjdoc
quote:
It's always a legit question to ask under these circumstances.
Well, unless the candidate is half black...
I really do not think Trump touches it... With her record, there is really no reason to go down this rabbit hole...
Posted on 8/14/20 at 1:05 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
2-4 are ALL “natural born citizens” for purposes of eligibility as POTUS. Randomly naming the various routes to citizenship does not change that.
Which one of those does Kamala fall under?
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