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Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:31 am to JudgeHolden
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But when we all get to heaven, and what a day of rejoicing that will be, when we all see Jesus and are singing and shouting the victory
Baptist? Methodist?
Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:48 am to the808bass
Seems like an Episcopalian
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:48 am to nes2010
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What about the golden rule? Jesus gave us that one right?
Technically, no, Jesus did not originally espouse the golden rule. Moses did:
Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:18 (NIV)
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Do you feel it comes from mans arrogance?
I feel man applies it arrogantly. Read the "who is my neighbor" parable of the Good Samaritan. We were commanded to "go and do likewise." How many here actually do that.
No. We find all kinds of mental gyrations to avoid loving our neighbor as ourselves.
Other parts of Leviticus, affirmed by Jesus in parable, are to love foreigners as ourselves. Do you really think as a "Christian nation" we actually do that? If I waved a magic wand and made you into a poor immigrant from a war torn country, would you feel well-treated? If your answer is anything but "no," well, that's man's arrogance.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:49 am to roadGator
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Seems like an Episcopalian
No. But I like that denomination. As the saying goes, where two or three Episcopalians are gathered together, there is always a fifth.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:50 am to the808bass
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Baptist? Methodist?
Neither. Just well . . . versed.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:51 am to Penrod
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And he hopes anyone with your mindset dies. Two sides of the same coin.
Not quite, but no surprise you can't pick up n the nuance. I don't wish death on all supporters of the left. But people with his mindset aren't worthy of life. They are trash.
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:54 am to JudgeHolden
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Do you really think as a "Christian nation" we actually do that?
Do you really think this is a Christian nation any longer? Are you looking to government to validate your belief?
Jesus did not tell government to "love thy neighbor" he told US to do that as believers.
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If I waved a magic wand and made you into a poor immigrant from a war torn country, would you feel well-treated?
By who? Government? People in general? Believers in Jesus Christ?
You seem to be sitting in judgement on things with a skewed concept of the application of God's word.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:56 am to The Maj
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No it is not... One's personal relationship with God is directly related to the time one spends studying God's Word, praying, and worshipping God... It gives a person the ability to see through the charlatans and deceivers in their path that would seek to harm their relationship with God OR profit from their faith...
I see. I just need to spend more time with the Word in order to come up with my own (revealed) understanding of it.
No ambiguity there. Sure. Right.
God set this up so that you have to struggle to find truth. That is just how it is. That means by definition that we will not all have the same understanding.
I've read the Bible from cover to cover numerous times, the most significant parts in the language in which it was written. I've read the Apocrypha, and the Lost Gospels too. I pray without ceasing. It still is not clear to me. If it is to you, well, good for you, I guess. But just consider that perhaps, just maybe, your "clarity" comes from not digging deep enough.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:58 am to The Maj
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Jesus did not tell government to "love thy neighbor" he told US to do that as believers.
Believers who exercised the political power to put the present administration in office. Without evangelicals, Trump would not be president.
By your logic, I can vote as callously as I choose but still "love my neighbor." Nah. That ain't what Moses and Jesus said.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:02 am to JudgeHolden
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But just consider that perhaps, just maybe, your "clarity" comes from not digging deep enough.
Maybe your arrogance causes you to think digging deeper will give you more understanding without truly seeking God's will in your life?
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It still is not clear to me.
Maybe it is not clear because you are focusing on God's plan for the world and not God's plan for your life? Maybe you are approaching it from an intellectual outlook?
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If it is to you, well, good for you,
I never said I had an absolute understanding of God, God's will for my life or the entirety of God. I also am not arrogant enough to think that I, as a man, will ever be able to grasp the width and breadth of God and everything he does and does not do. Otherwise, why would there be any need for faith?
It sounds like you do a lot of studying but not a lot of listening...
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:02 am to The Maj
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You seem to be sitting in judgement on things with a skewed concept of the application of God's word.
Well. By all means explicate the following verses for me.
Leviticus 19:18
Leviticus 19:34
Matthew 7:12
Matthew 25:41-43
Luke 6:31
Luke 10:25 et seq.
Galatians 5:14
Romans 13:8
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:05 am to JudgeHolden
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I feel man applies it arrogantly
So then it did not come from mans arrogance but from God, man applies it as he will however. I am glad we can agree that there are codes of ethics that do not come from mans arrogance, but straight from God. I agree man misapplies Gods word quite often, and I am sure mans arrogance comes into play there.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:07 am to JudgeHolden
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By your logic, I can vote as callously as I choose but still "love my neighbor."
Where did I say that? Do you not seek God's guidance, through prayer before you vote? I would not classify that as "vote as callously as I choose"...
My actions, all of my actions should be for the glorification of God... I am not perfect and I sin but if I am leading my life according to God's will and seeking God's will in my life, I will turn away from my sin...
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:07 am to The Maj
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Maybe your arrogance causes you to think digging deeper will give you more understanding without truly seeking God's will in your life?
That is always possible. But it has made me deeply skeptical about those who declare an absolute understanding of scripture. I approach God with deep humility. For, after all, where was I when he laid the foundations of the earth?
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Maybe it is not clear because you are focusing on God's plan for the world and not God's plan for your life? Maybe you are approaching it from an intellectual outlook?
I don't think so. The love of God starts with the heart, not the mind. The deeper love of God engages the mind and struggles mightily with the Word. That's how I look at it.
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I never said I had an absolute understanding of God, God's will for my life or the entirety of God. I also am not arrogant enough to think that I, as a man, will ever be able to grasp the width and breadth of God and everything he does and does not do. Otherwise, why would there be any need for faith?
I agree that it always ends at faith. I just think that God isn't afraid of my challenging assumptions, even those long held by "Christians."
I also think faith involves taking the words of Christ very, very seriously. And I think most people ignore a lot of what He said.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:10 am to FooManChoo
They have no moral standard. They pray to the God of socialism/marxism.
Many of the hard left in this country would like to see the US become Albania under Enver Hoxha.
Many of the hard left in this country would like to see the US become Albania under Enver Hoxha.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:10 am to The Maj
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I will turn away from my sin...
See. Now here is the problem. There are those who would define "sin" to their own ends, and for their own power.
The greatest sin, according to Jesus, is ignoring those in need around you. That is, if I recall correctly, one of the very few things that would send you to hell, according to the Lord and Savior.
You think we really emphasize that "sin" in our lives?
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:14 am to JudgeHolden
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The unpardonable/unforgivable sin or “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” is mentioned in Mark 3:22–30 and Matthew 12:22–32. Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter” (Mark 3:28), but then He gives one exception: “Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin” (verse 29).
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:14 am to JudgeHolden
Every single one of those verses pretty much has the central concept of loving your neighbor. Is that hard for you as a believer to follow along with?
Why are you trying to apply it to government?
Why are you trying to apply it to government?
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:20 am to JudgeHolden
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K. Show me a code of ethics that isn’t built on man’s arrogance.
ETA: I see your point and get the contradiction, but I still won't equate the failings of Christian-based law with academic intellectual condemnation. Some once found murder suitable if a black man looked a white woman the "wrong way". Thankfully, we've worked to correct that. Flipping the coin over and doing the same thing isn't any more righteous.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 10:35 am
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