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re: Printed money seems to coincide with cultural rot
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:19 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:19 am to scottydoesntknow
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I just dont see any path where this can be rectified through voting.
I don’t either, because a lot of my natural allies believe the economic illiteracy in the OP.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:26 am to scottydoesntknow
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If spending and the size of gov’t are you top issues (they are mine), there’s no way to justify voting for either Rs or Ds. They are both bent on spending us into oblivion.
Aint gonna lie, I just dont see any path where this can be rectified through voting. The people who are most wealthy and powerful will never give up this power willingly. It will require divine intervention.
The only retribution for this behavior of the R Party that I have left are 1) withholding my vote and 2) converting their schitty diluted currency into precious metals, the international currency
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:20 pm to Penrod
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Calculate the rise in median family income relative to the rise in money supply from earliest measured date to 1990. Then apply that same multiplier to the total rise in money supply from 1990 to today and give me what the median household income would be
What? The median household income is not supposed to be proportionate to the money supply. You should ask Grok to tell you what it would be had it grown at the rate of your rose bush.
The first obvious question is "why not"
But I didnt ask Grok to calculate it based of money supply. I asked it to determine how much median household income grew relative to money supply from 1957(earliest record of M2) to 1990...then apply that multiplier to the change in M2(money supply) from 1990 to current day
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:24 pm to Penrod
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I just dont see any path where this can be rectified through voting.
I don’t either, because a lot of my natural allies believe the economic illiteracy in the OP.
You couldnt even understand the simple metric I used. You are a simpleton
Posted on 2/12/26 at 2:04 pm to scottydoesntknow
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You couldnt even understand the simple metric I used. You are a simpleton
I understood it and proposed one equally valid.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 3:46 pm to Penrod
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quote:You couldnt even understand the simple metric I used. You are a simpleton I understood it and proposed one equally valid.
Well you are a marxist, so lying is basically your forte
Posted on 2/12/26 at 3:49 pm to scottydoesntknow
Ya don't remember who was sitting upfront during the Trump's inauguration.. A bunch of oligarchs.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 4:02 pm to scottydoesntknow
Moral and financial bankruptcy go hand in hand. Our entire monetary structure relies on an immoral system called fractional reserve banking.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 5:10 pm to scottydoesntknow
the movie kramer vs. kramer came out in 79 dustin hoffman's character was the creative director for a large madison ave. advertising agency making $28,500 per year, adjusted for inflation that's 106k per year.
anyone want to venture a guess at what a creative director makes at a major advertising agency today?
about 400k
that's what's really changed in the 70's and 80's we taxed really smart, ambitious and hard working people back into the middle class so that middle class could live above their means.
frankly i don't want to go back to those times. i never cared much for being in the middle class.
anyone want to venture a guess at what a creative director makes at a major advertising agency today?
about 400k
that's what's really changed in the 70's and 80's we taxed really smart, ambitious and hard working people back into the middle class so that middle class could live above their means.
frankly i don't want to go back to those times. i never cared much for being in the middle class.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 6:00 pm to scottydoesntknow
It makes me think of the parallels with the cultural rot and scandals amongst the elite of ancient Rome and how they debased silver currency. Right around the time Nero played the fiddle to a burning city, Rome began watering down the denarius, mixing cheaper copper into the silver just to keep the checks cleared for the military and all the bread/circus distractions and in order to keep the public quiet. Silver debasement went from nearly pure silver to being more copper than silver over many decades of debasement. Basically devaluing it slowly, not unlike how the dollar has been hollowed out since the early 1900s. We even doubled down on Rome’s symbols by choosing the eagle. It’s a proud bird, sure, but there is a lot of decent Biblical speculation that we became like Rome. Sometimes I think maybe we should have listened to Franklin and gone with the turkey, as something a bit more grounded bird that actually stands on its own ground.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 6:02 pm to scottydoesntknow
Correlation isn’t always causation
This post was edited on 2/13/26 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/12/26 at 6:21 pm to scottydoesntknow
And yet, the median household income went up from $55,000 in 1960 to $80,000 today (in inflation adjusted dollars), Americans are still the richest people on the planet except for citizens of small boutique financial countries like Switzerland.
And poor people today live better than the lower half of the middle class in 1960...meaning that today they have more material comfort and more access to luxury items and services, live longer due to better health care, have access to technology that even financial elites didn't have access to in 1960, and the quality of housing and transportation and appliances are much better now.
And the people at the top of that wealth gap pyramid are the people who have been responsible for that increase in quality of life. Not all of the in that category contributed, but everyone who contributed is in that category.
The wailing and crying and whining of populists never ends, but I wonder how many would take having a median income of $230,000 instead of $80,000, but the tradeoff is that the only cars that were available were 1960s spec vehicles, houses were 50% smaller and not nearly as well appointed like they were back then, cell phones didn't exist, the internet didn't exist, computers still took up an entire small room and had the capability of a tiny fraction of a smart phone, central AC was rare, everybody typed with an actual typewriter, there were no answering machines, DVD players, streaming, social media, GPS, heart caths, hip replacements, advanced cancer treatments, etc., etc., etc.
My kids when they were toddlers didn't whine like bitch-arse populists.
And poor people today live better than the lower half of the middle class in 1960...meaning that today they have more material comfort and more access to luxury items and services, live longer due to better health care, have access to technology that even financial elites didn't have access to in 1960, and the quality of housing and transportation and appliances are much better now.
And the people at the top of that wealth gap pyramid are the people who have been responsible for that increase in quality of life. Not all of the in that category contributed, but everyone who contributed is in that category.
The wailing and crying and whining of populists never ends, but I wonder how many would take having a median income of $230,000 instead of $80,000, but the tradeoff is that the only cars that were available were 1960s spec vehicles, houses were 50% smaller and not nearly as well appointed like they were back then, cell phones didn't exist, the internet didn't exist, computers still took up an entire small room and had the capability of a tiny fraction of a smart phone, central AC was rare, everybody typed with an actual typewriter, there were no answering machines, DVD players, streaming, social media, GPS, heart caths, hip replacements, advanced cancer treatments, etc., etc., etc.
My kids when they were toddlers didn't whine like bitch-arse populists.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 6:46 pm to scottydoesntknow
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The country as we knew it died a long time ago.
Fake investigations. fake polls, fake elections, fake politicians, fake pandemics, fake wars, all in service of a fake currency.
And nothing changes until this nation returns to sound monetary policies.
As it stands, we can expect things to get much worse before they get better.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 7:05 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Well you are a marxist, so lying is basically your forte
Ahh, the longtime Reagan Republican is a Marxist. There is a certain logic to that.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 7:31 pm to wackatimesthree
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And yet, the median household income went up from $55,000 in 1960 to $80,000 today (in inflation adjusted dollars),
We artificially keep inflation down...with cheap foreign labor, cheap imports from China, and subsidies.
Why did median household income stop tracking with the money supply before like it did before 1990?
A better question is how is it even possible for that multiplier to change so much? I gave my theory, you are free to give another one
Posted on 2/12/26 at 7:34 pm to wackatimesthree
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My kids when they were toddlers didn't whine like bitch-arse populists.
Hopefully they wont support generational theft like their welfare queen father
Posted on 2/13/26 at 3:17 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Hopefully they wont support generational theft like their welfare queen father
LOL.
I retired a multimillionaire at 53 (and before you start with any "boomer" bullshite, because that's who you populists always whine about, I'm only 55 now. I'm a Gen Xer).
Completely self-made. I started over at age 35 with nothing. Did it all in less than 20 years.
If you can't do the same, that's on your whining arse, certainly not mine, and it's not "the system's" fault either.
If you would stop bitching and whining and blaming everyone else and go apply yourself you could probably do it too. There's plenty of opportunity left in America.
But IME very few people who constantly blame someone or something else for their lack of success go very far.
This is one of those times that it is truly amazing to me that people cannot see how the right embracing populism has turned them into mirror images of the left (who embraced it decades ago). 35 years ago when some leftist whined about "the system keeping them down" like you are now, people on the right rolled their eyes (rightly) and told them to shut up and put their energy into succeeding rather than whining and they might be amazed at what happens..
Now the right is as whiny as the left ever was.
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