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re: Principal to suspend students that speak positively about ICE.

Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

You still haven’t answered. Telling.


It's not telling

It was dumb then and remains dumb
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:03 pm to
As do you, you have been exposed to be a contrarian and a hypocrite. I will say no more to it…..
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37837 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:03 pm to
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Why is ICE getting special treatment? Has this principle made similar stances on all law enforcement?

Probably because there’s been an exponential increase in the number of ICE comments to Latino students, such as I’m going to call ice on you, I’m going to get you deported. Let’s not pretend that middle school is not littered with verbal bullying and threats.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154596 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:04 pm to
Hank, what will happen to a student in that school system if that student says ICE is doing great work enforcing immigration laws.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:05 pm to
Leftist are inherently violent and incapable of impartiality.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Probably because there’s been an exponential increase in the number of ICE comments to Latino students, such as I’m going to call ice on you, I’m going to get you deported.


Has been, or “probably” has been? There is a big difference between the two.

Still, being an a-hole does not constitute “bullying.”

Kids can be assholes. It may not constitute bullying.

That principal has put the school system in a tough spot imho.


Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67457 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:12 pm to
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They do not care.

It is what “Libs of TikTok” CLAIMS the letter says, and that is Gospel for the Gullible. No need to read the source material.




I think you may have things reversed in your mind.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37837 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Still, being an a-hole does not constitute “bullying.”

That is true. But the examples in my response would be verbal bullying.

Or even targeting and following a single or a group of Latino students around while chanting “ice ice baby“.
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 3:07 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:28 pm to
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But the examples in my response would be verbal of bullying. Or even targeting and following a single or a group of Latino students around while chanting “ice ice baby“.


A group following one student while singing that constitutes bullying. One student singing it while passing another does not.

As noted previously, there are benchmarks in place to remove as much of the subjectivity as possible. It makes the disciplinary course of action more defined.

An attorney should understand that (well, except for one).

As offensive as the remarks may be, incorrectly defining them as bullying, and then acting upon that incorrect definition is a poor choice.

That principal is putting that school system in a bad spot.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:30 pm to
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It is what “Libs of TikTok” CLAIMS the letter says


Or…you could read the letter (which I did, and is the source of my stance).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Or…you could read the letter (which I did, and is the source of my stance).


Your stance has nothing to do with his post, or anything relevant to OP
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:37 pm to
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group following one student while singing that constitutes bullying. One student singing it while passing another does not.

Based.on what?

You seem to be adding random subjective, arbitrary distinctions, framed in a way that prevent any response

quote:

there are benchmarks in place to remove as much of the subjectivity as possible.

Post the benchmarks. The ones from his district would be preferred.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:45 pm to
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Your stance has nothing to do with his post, or anything relevant to OP


Wrong
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:50 pm to
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You seem to be adding random subjective, arbitrary distinctions, framed in a way that prevent any response


Why?

You claim to know what bullying is.

I’ll give you two though:

1. Unfair match (a GROUP of students targeting one or two by singing Ice Ice baby would be an example).

2. Repetition. Has that behavior been on display by that individual student on more than one occasion concerning the same (victimized) student.

There are other benchmarks. However, NONE of those are noted by the principal. As noted, he has decided to be the arbiter of policy. That is unwise imho.

BTW - you have yet to address my two examples.

Why haven’t you?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:53 pm to
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Wrong

No I'm right.

I'll ask this again to prove the point (again)

quote:

The actual, pertinent question is how that is example of the student "speak[ing] positively about ICE"?


He and I are speaking about the dishonesty in the content relied upon by OP

You are talking about something completely irrelevant to that, as you're not discussing anything regarding a purported prohibition on the "speaking positively about ICE"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:55 pm to
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However, NONE of those are noted by the principal.

Have you established these benchmarks apply to the principal?

I specifically included references to his district for this reason.

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BTW - you have yet to address my two examples.

Why haven’t you?

I did, speaking about bullying, generally.

You then started relying on unsupported (as of this post) benchmarks that may not even apply to this district.

All while ignoring the actual content of my criticism, focusing solely on a diversion irrelevant to my point
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:57 pm to
So if students were to promote ICE coming to their school to remove illegals…and verbally appreciate them doing their job, they should be suspended?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71654 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:59 pm to
The best runner we had in our class during junior high onward was a Mexican dude. He could run for hours without getting tired and always won the timed mile test with ease. We used to joke with him that he was staying in shape for when they came after him.

His mom made some of the best tamales I've ever had. For that reason alone, many years later, I'd give her a pass if she actually were illegal.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42147 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 3:01 pm to
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I did, speaking about bullying, generally.


Not the norm in K-12.

quote:

You then started relying on unsupported (as of this post) benchmarks that may not even apply to this district.


I gave two benchmarks that are virtually universal (generally).

Since you are referencing bullying, perhaps you should bring to light the District handbook regarding definitions and consequences.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 3:02 pm to
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So if students were to promote ICE coming to their school to remove illegals…and verbally appreciate them doing their job, they should be suspended?


My comment on the dishonesty made no comment on that issue.

You're trying to create a strawman over something I did not argue in response to OP
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