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re: Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:27 am to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:27 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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didn’t comment on what went wrong. I commented on the stupidity of the average voter and the fragile emotional state shared by most of MAGA.
They’re intellectual giants.
Posted this the other day.
LINK
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Instead, my driver talked about Donald Trump’s time in military school — Trump spent five years at the New York Military Academy in Cornwall-on-Hudson — and said he felt that gave Trump a particular insight into military matters.”
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:35 am to moneyg
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Yes, Ron is a good – even great – candidate. Yes, he’s an accomplished governor. Yes, he’s more conservative than Trump. But Trump’s base is immovable.
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:winner:
No shite. We've been saying that for months now.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:40 am to KiwiHead
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DeSantis waited too long to try and strike back at Trump. Trump spent months before DeSantis' announcement savaging him, branding him and giving him a pet name(s) like DeSantis or DeSanctimonious
True but not the main cause. Trump’s team got intel on Pushaw’s coming attack plan and went on the offensive. Critical error in planning to attack Trump and his supporters.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:00 am to Pecker
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Yes, Ron is a good – even great – candidate. Yes, he’s an accomplished governor. Yes, he’s more conservative than Trump. But Trump’s base is immovable. Supporters of DeSantis can say “Trump put a leash on him” or they can denigrate republican voters for not being true conservatives. They can say whatever makes them feel morally or intellectually superior to the average working-class Trump supporter. But those justifications require one to completely ignore the circumstances and events of the past 8 years that have led to the galvanizing and solidifying of Trump’s base. The majority of those who have and will vote for Trump, also voted for McCain and Romney, and in primaries, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Rand Paul. And, who in the absence of Trump would gladly have voted for Ron DeSantis. Regarding true conservative Ron DeSantis, the GOP establishment donors who once backed him are now pouring untold millions into the campaign of Nikki Haley, a blatantly corrupt neocon who no one asked for.
Unfortunately this is close to sober analysis spoiled by falsehoods.
- Trump's base is immovable. Trump's base developed organically over the past 8 years. That is true.
- Trump's base is not a truly conservative base. That is also true, and stating that doesn't require denial of the first bullet above.
- The post includes the misleading claim that establishment donors backed DeSantis and then switched to Haley, when in reality many of the more GOPe donors or would be donors to DeSantis switched to Trump, often before making considerable donations to DeSantis. This is along the lines of the Jeb! myth, whereby DeSantis is accused of doing something Trump actually did (relied on Jeb alums to staff his campaign).
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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The post includes the misleading claim that establishment donors
Of all the shallow, non-thinking bullshite that gets posted about this race this is the one that I just can't fathom. The idiotic inside knowledge claims and supposed deductions get vomited here every day, all from this simple fact that was ALWAYS going to be true:
- If "the establishment" (if that can even be defined) hates Trump, they're going to donate money to the person with the best chance of beating him.
All that means is that they want very badly to beat Trump. Who doesn't understand this?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:21 am to roadGator
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Idlewatcher still lies
He's definitely slipped over the gumbo/sdv edge a bit.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:24 am to Pettifogger
Trumps base isn’t interested in ideological purity. It’s concerned with the destruction of a corrupt system that currently flirts with totalitarianism. They want revolution through the ballot box and see Trump as the only candidate that gives them a chance at this. They also see Trumps reelection as a symbolic victory over the system that tried so hard to destroy the movement he represents. Policy purity can come later… after the corrupt agents, prosecutors, executive donors, warmongers, and lobbyists have all been marginalized. They feel like we are out of time. Milquetoast republican candidates born from the very system it seeks to destroy, are persona non grata.
The reason Ron did so poorly was he allowed old guard GOP forces in, and by proxy, became their candidate. Disenchanted Trump voters saw this and got spooked. Some went back to Trump, others went to Vivek. And look at where it left Ron. Once the elites used him up, they abandoned his lifeless husk and moved onto Haley. Now he’s on an island.
My main concern for Ron is having Vivek replace him as the torch bearer for this base.
The reason Ron did so poorly was he allowed old guard GOP forces in, and by proxy, became their candidate. Disenchanted Trump voters saw this and got spooked. Some went back to Trump, others went to Vivek. And look at where it left Ron. Once the elites used him up, they abandoned his lifeless husk and moved onto Haley. Now he’s on an island.
My main concern for Ron is having Vivek replace him as the torch bearer for this base.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:29 am to Vacherie Saint
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The reason Ron did so poorly was he allowed old guard GOP forces in, and by proxy, became their candidate.
Like clockwork.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:30 am to Vacherie Saint
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ideological purity. It’s concerned with the destruction of a corrupt system that currently flirts with totalitarianism. They want revolution through the ballot box and see Trump as the only candidate that gives them a chance at this.
If there’s no ideological commitment to liberty (and Trump doesn’t have that), then what is replacing the current system?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:30 am to Flats
Sorry. I should have issued a trigger warning for the OnlyRons.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:31 am to Vacherie Saint
Or you could have prefaced it with “Here’s some shite someone made up and I’m inclined to believe it.”
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:31 am to Vacherie Saint
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Sorry. I should have issued a trigger warning for the OnlyRons.
No. The question is if this is the standard:
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he allowed old guard GOP forces in, and by proxy, became their candidate.
..how does this not apply to Trump as well?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:33 am to Vacherie Saint
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Sorry. I should have issued a trigger warning for the OnlyRons.
On the contrary. I had asked "Who doesn't understand this" in the previous post as a somewhat rhetorical question and you were kind enough to raise your hand anyway. Gracias.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:36 am to Vacherie Saint
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Disenchanted Trump voters saw this and got spooked.
The only thing you saw was grifter MAGA influencers on truth. You allowed yourself to be manipulated by people who gain financially directly from keeping you in line and dedicated to the cause.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:37 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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DeSantis called us listless vessels. Check Truth Social to see what we should be saying!
-Vacherie
Probably
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:40 am to the808bass
While Trump is a wildcard, it’s not fair to say he has no ideological moorings whatsoever. You might not get small government out of Trump, but you’ll likely get real action on immigration, the economy, and foreign wars, which along with federal bureaus getting gutted, is enough for people who don’t trust other republicans to follow through on their promises.
I’ve said this here many times. People have to view this election for what it is, and stop fantasizing about a white night, Reaganesque savior who’ll somehow be unencumbered by the attacks Trump faced. This is a street brawl and you are going to have to be willing to do some shite you aren’t proud of the get things functioning again.
I’ve said this here many times. People have to view this election for what it is, and stop fantasizing about a white night, Reaganesque savior who’ll somehow be unencumbered by the attacks Trump faced. This is a street brawl and you are going to have to be willing to do some shite you aren’t proud of the get things functioning again.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:42 am to Vacherie Saint
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People have to view this election for what it is, and stop fantasizing about a white night, Reaganesque savior who’ll somehow be unencumbered by the attacks Trump faced.
People need to learn how to discuss issues without needing straw men for a crutch.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:42 am to Vacherie Saint
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but you’ll likely get real action on immigration
Had 4 years and didn't do shite
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the economy
signed some GOPE bills that helped and shut us down during Covid
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and foreign wars
Was never presented with much, but when he got to, he attacked (based on emotional thinking, at that).
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which along with federal bureaus getting gutted,
Also didn't happen when he had the chance
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This is a street brawl and you are going to have to be willing to do some shite you aren’t proud of the get things functioning again.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:45 am to Vacherie Saint
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stop fantasizing about a white night, Reaganesque savior
You say after Trump trots out Vivek mere days after telling you he can’t be trusted.
It’s MAGA desperate for a savior. Not us.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:45 am to TigerOnTheMountain
Look, keep beating the drum. I really don’t give a frick. But you start to look silly and desperate at some point. Ron is done. Dems are going to open primaries to make Haley the new alternative to Trump.
You can shite on Trump all you like. Shill for Ron in fruitless vein until the bitter end if that makes you happy. Just know that when you show up at the ballot box in November, his name won’t be there.
You can shite on Trump all you like. Shill for Ron in fruitless vein until the bitter end if that makes you happy. Just know that when you show up at the ballot box in November, his name won’t be there.
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