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Positive Confession: A Need for a Philosophical Structure
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:20 pm
Conservatism, Nationalism, Libertarianism, Liberalism and any others number of ideologies are being slowly whittled down by Marxism in our public square.
The nature of the dialectic that Marxism employs to anti-rationally grind each tenet of belief and praxis into dust has been very effective.
Our isms have been playing defense. And we have relied too long on people to rationally reject anti-rational ideas. As the isms above are fractured and even often hostile to each other, it has made the cultural Marxists’ job that much easier.
Are there central ideas around which the wagons could be gathered? Without a positive and cogent statement of some sort of uniting philosophy, we seem destined to slowly cede ground to the negative idea and eventually the concrete reality of Marxism.
Or we could start shooting.
The nature of the dialectic that Marxism employs to anti-rationally grind each tenet of belief and praxis into dust has been very effective.
Our isms have been playing defense. And we have relied too long on people to rationally reject anti-rational ideas. As the isms above are fractured and even often hostile to each other, it has made the cultural Marxists’ job that much easier.
Are there central ideas around which the wagons could be gathered? Without a positive and cogent statement of some sort of uniting philosophy, we seem destined to slowly cede ground to the negative idea and eventually the concrete reality of Marxism.
Or we could start shooting.
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:31 pm to the808bass
The problem is that they do not allow debate. There is no reasoning with them and no amount of proof ever changes their minds or even allows them to see that there are rational alternatives. It will take a benevolent act of God to change the situation - or some shooting.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:43 pm to the808bass
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Are there central ideas around which the wagons could be gathered?
God and King proved effective for the Spanish.
All of the anti-communist movements, that I can think of, incorporated those elements.
We don't have an aristocracy here though - and the Marxists destroyed the church.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:29 pm to the808bass
How to undo 50 - 80 plus years of successful marxist intrusion into our critical institutions under the guise of liberalism, progressivism.
An entrenchment that could be undone only by gaining control of our institutions again.
Every evidence tells us that they are slouching even further toward what Huxley, Horkheimer, Bertrand Russell and others described as their preferred dystopia.
Fighting an ideology with an ideology can only happen if one gains control of the vectors (our institutions) that have been used for all these years to spread it.
We let it get away because of the success of the conditioning process that made us so gun-shy of those "isms" that have made so many fold their tents and steal away discreetly rather than face them.
It's been a slick, successful tactic by the Left for so long because almost as many on the so-called Right have been also successfully conditioned to cave when targeted by them.
Other than capitalism and Republicanism, the only prominent ideology have come across that was adversarial to marxism is Bakunin's anarchism. But he had a particular hatred for Karl.
Not exactly a better choice.
If we want to do it without blood and iron, it will take some other method to get control of our institutions again, and repeat the methods that have been so "rewarding' to the Left by starting over and reaching as many of the young as possible.
Just as the neo-Marxists sheltered and protected under the guise of progressivism have done.
Realized how entrenched marxism has become in the West when having happened upon a book quite some time ago by someone who was in the middle of the neo-Marxist infestation of Columbia University during his professorship there.
Basically, the starting point/incubator in this nation for the émigrés we gave sanctuary to from the Institute for Social Research in '35 .
A book that apparently few read because it was in the communal bin for such books.
The Marxists by C. Wright Mills. 1961 copyright Laurel edition.
A dedicated marxist who tried to be a liberal, but ultimately regarded liberalism as an abject failure so he returned to his preferred system.
Even if only half of what he joyously describes in the book is accurate, the entrenchment is so deep that attempting to fight this thing "ideologically" would be a fool's journey.
An entrenchment that could be undone only by gaining control of our institutions again.
Every evidence tells us that they are slouching even further toward what Huxley, Horkheimer, Bertrand Russell and others described as their preferred dystopia.
Fighting an ideology with an ideology can only happen if one gains control of the vectors (our institutions) that have been used for all these years to spread it.
We let it get away because of the success of the conditioning process that made us so gun-shy of those "isms" that have made so many fold their tents and steal away discreetly rather than face them.
It's been a slick, successful tactic by the Left for so long because almost as many on the so-called Right have been also successfully conditioned to cave when targeted by them.
Other than capitalism and Republicanism, the only prominent ideology have come across that was adversarial to marxism is Bakunin's anarchism. But he had a particular hatred for Karl.
Not exactly a better choice.
If we want to do it without blood and iron, it will take some other method to get control of our institutions again, and repeat the methods that have been so "rewarding' to the Left by starting over and reaching as many of the young as possible.
Just as the neo-Marxists sheltered and protected under the guise of progressivism have done.
Realized how entrenched marxism has become in the West when having happened upon a book quite some time ago by someone who was in the middle of the neo-Marxist infestation of Columbia University during his professorship there.
Basically, the starting point/incubator in this nation for the émigrés we gave sanctuary to from the Institute for Social Research in '35 .
A book that apparently few read because it was in the communal bin for such books.
The Marxists by C. Wright Mills. 1961 copyright Laurel edition.
A dedicated marxist who tried to be a liberal, but ultimately regarded liberalism as an abject failure so he returned to his preferred system.
Even if only half of what he joyously describes in the book is accurate, the entrenchment is so deep that attempting to fight this thing "ideologically" would be a fool's journey.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:38 pm to the808bass
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Are there central ideas around which the wagons could be gathered?
Literally Hitler. Or fascism. No solution will be found in most of your minds until you unlearn what dogma has been fed to you your whole life and then relearn.
Yeah yeah yeah, but those are the only guys to really fight communism. Plus they would have won if we hadn't got involved.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:38 pm to jackamo3300
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Basically, the starting point/incubator in this nation for the émigrés we gave sanctuary to from the Institute for Social Research in '35 .
Yeap.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:51 pm to the808bass
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Are there central ideas around which the wagons could be gathered? Without a positive and cogent statement of some sort of uniting philosophy, we seem destined to slowly cede ground to the negative idea and eventually the concrete reality of Marxism.
There are only TWO possible "First Premise" philosophical scenarios, bass; such being God...or no god. Philosophy - Political version in your instance, I suppose) essentially becomes Spirituality and Theology...ending up at Morality's door. Morality is where we are; though it is the Godless version...Marxism 101. I.e., Secular Morality...as those who feel shorted by God in this life, reject God's judgment re their life's relative value, and do the 'Cain and Abel' thing. Envy running the show.
This said, Jesus raised the Morality bar; especially as such refers to Marxism's 'Oppressed' victims. Victims - losers of "life's lottery" - who have little to no respect for religious folk (Christians at the fore) who (hypocritically?) ignore Jesus' admonition make it numero uno in raising up the poor. Marxists abhor Christians; and envy their worldly (mostly) and spiritual prosperity.
I could write ten pages of blather; but there will be no answer sufficient to answer or solution re your plea for a "uniting philosophy". Because the Idea is here (God); but the necessity for the will to both believe and act...is not. I suspect that 'will', will rise from the ashes of a disunified society, that acquires more technological power than it has the wisdom to employ.
Lord have mercy. God luck to the faithless good folk.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:54 pm to the808bass
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:05 pm to RCDfan1950
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Morality is where we are; though it is the Godless version
You should look into redemption through sin. There is a particularly powerful group that gets their messiah if everyone is deemed evil.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:22 pm to zatetic
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You should look into redemption through sin. There is a particularly powerful group that gets their messiah if everyone is deemed evil.
Expound a bit, z? Though I'm tired and probably can't keep up.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:23 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
The virus of Progressivism/Cultural Marxism will eventually stir a cytokine storm. We will see what happens.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:08 pm to RCDfan1950
https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-two/1666
So in the year 1666 Sabbatai Zevi became a Jewish prophet. I guess in Judaism you get the actual messiah when everyone is either completely good or completely bad. So the Sabbatean branch decided it was easier to get everyone to be completely bad. So they encouraged all sorts of horrific things to be common so as to bring their messiah. Apparently it got about half the jewish population on board with it. I don't know what good resources are to find more info but I dropped a couple hoping they will do it justice but it's connected to the frankfurt stuff...
https://godskingdom.org/blog/2019/10/the-sabbatean-plan-of-redemption-through-sin
So in the year 1666 Sabbatai Zevi became a Jewish prophet. I guess in Judaism you get the actual messiah when everyone is either completely good or completely bad. So the Sabbatean branch decided it was easier to get everyone to be completely bad. So they encouraged all sorts of horrific things to be common so as to bring their messiah. Apparently it got about half the jewish population on board with it. I don't know what good resources are to find more info but I dropped a couple hoping they will do it justice but it's connected to the frankfurt stuff...
https://godskingdom.org/blog/2019/10/the-sabbatean-plan-of-redemption-through-sin
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:18 pm to the808bass
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This post was edited on 7/18/21 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:23 pm to the808bass
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number of ideologies are being slowly whittled down by Marxism in our public square
The public square is a small one, most people avoid confrontation, until it sits on their doorstep, then comes wrath
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:06 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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Philosophical Structure Isn't going to give us back the ground that has been lost
Correct. But we will need some common core ideas to unite around in the (metaphorical) fight.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:17 pm to the808bass
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This post was edited on 7/18/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:18 pm to the808bass
We must put aside our differences, you and me, us and them, and join together for the common good.
We could pray, or start planning to shoot.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
We could pray, or start planning to shoot.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:35 am to the808bass
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Or we could start shooting
Say when…
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:15 am to LakeCharles
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The problem is that they do not allow debate.
This. And the left is proud to admit they do not debate. I watched Dinesh D'Souza address a college audience and for Q and A a leftist woman asks:
"Why do you believe ______________" and then she launches into a shrieking tirade about conservatives.
He finally interjects: 'Do you want me to answer your question?'
She screams: 'NOOOOOOO!!!!'
I have always said that if your opinion cannot withstand discussion then your opinion is worthless.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:33 am to the808bass
As a Christian, I see the Christian faith as the only sound response. It alone provides the preconditions for rationality and morality (among other things) that are needed to condemn this Marxist virus. Other ideologies can be effective but will struggle to find a basis for their own existence when pushed far enough.
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