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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:54 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:54 am to FooManChoo
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I'm not sure what "Conservative" means any longer, because I used to believe it was a belief in the Christians principles that were used in the formation of our country, yet today many Conservatives are fine with dispensing with the bibilcal worldview, especially in terms of morality, in favor or other things.
American political conservatism has nothing to do with religion.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:55 am to Indefatigable
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American political conservatism has nothing to do with religion.
It always has and when it no longer does it will be even less relevant.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:56 am to Indefatigable
quote:All ideologies presuppose certain things and generally ascribe to a worldview of some sorts. Those presuppositions and worldviews are comprised of a lot of parts, but they can have religious beliefs baked into them, like the notion that individual rights come from God due to the biblical notion that we are made in His image and have value because of that.
American political conservatism has nothing to do with religion.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:56 am to Pettifogger
Political conservatism and social conservatism are often conflated in our low-information society, but they are absolutely not the same thing and they do not go hand in hand.
The refusal to acknowledge that fact and embrace it is exactly why the GOP is losing ground amongst educated white voters. Social conservatism is an anchor on political conservatism in this country
The refusal to acknowledge that fact and embrace it is exactly why the GOP is losing ground amongst educated white voters. Social conservatism is an anchor on political conservatism in this country
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:57 am to anc
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Pornography destroys families just as much as welfare does. Conservatives should be against it.
So, are you saying that she can’t be Republican or just shouldn’t attend Republican, conservative or Christian political events? What if she totally disavowed herself from her past and repents? What if she doesn’t?
At this point, with what we on this side face from the communist/socialist/anti-American democrat party, a brother or sister that is opposed to the left is good with me.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:57 am to Pettifogger
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The Brandi Love thing is a distraction sure
But the presence or absence of moral/faith-based positions in the conservative or anti-left movement is a valid discussion and one that is going to grow in importance if there is going to be any serious resistance.
BTW I think this Brandi Love story has spawned important discussion on this board that is healthy and much more useful than hyperventilating about vaccines for the 10,000th time this month.
I fully welcome any and all into the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean porn stars belong at events for kids.
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In a statement, the group added: "The bottom line is that it is simply not appropriate for a porn star to be actively posting images at an event with 15- and 16-year-olds present in conjunction with graphic pornography."
Anyone arguing against their reasoning isn't just arguing against a conservative position, they're arguing against a common sense position.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:59 am to La Place Mike
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Define Conservative.
Believing in a transcendent moral order.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:00 am to Indefatigable
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Political conservatism and social conservatism are often conflated in our low-information society, but they are absolutely not the same thing and they do not go hand in hand.
You’re creating an artificial bifurcation of conservatism.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:02 am to Man With A Plan
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That verse is taken out of context, look at the verses before and after it is clear that Jesus was in no way condoning the woman's behavior
All in a moment, he A)called out the accusers, B)showed her grace and mercy AND perhaps most importantly....C) tell her to go forth AND SIN NO MORE.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:03 am to Indefatigable
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Political conservatism and social conservatism are often conflated in our low-information society, but they are absolutely not the same thing and they do not go hand in hand.
The refusal to acknowledge that fact and embrace it is exactly why the GOP is losing ground amongst educated white voters. Social conservatism is an anchor on political conservatism in this country
This is aspirational. It doesn't reflect the political reality.
If you want to promote the separation of whatever you're calling political conservatism from social conservatism, fine. But "conflating" them is merely recognizing the history of political conservatism in this country and has absolutely nothing to do with a "low information society." You're pejoratively referring to reality, which is silly. Just promote the change you want.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:03 am to anc
I know more people that have gotten a divorce due to the other spouses porn habit than I know people that have died of covid..
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:03 am to MAADFACTS
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And yes, christin purity culture is feminist bullcrap that is meant to control our completely normal evolutionary instincts to impregnate beautiful women
Setting aside such a bigoted and perverse view of traditional Christian morality, viewing woman as simple orifices to deposit sperm is unmanly at it’s heart and is a destructive value.
Whether you acknowledge it or not, apologizing for such acts of irresponsible machismo is an abandonment of the ethos of personal responsibility and likewise an apology for the culture of “baby mamas.”
Such a mindset is a core tenet of the progressive dogma of “Do What Thou Wilt.”
“The Christian rule is this: ‘Either marriage, with complete faithfulness to your partner, or else total abstinence.’ Now this is so difficult and so contrary to our instincts, that obviously either Christianity is wrong or our sexual instinct, as it now is, has gone wrong.” C.S. Lewis.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:04 am to anc
That this would be the hill the conservatives want to die on is positively retarded. Why don't we try to stop our steady slide into socialism first, then we can wring our hands over who Brandi Love does or does not choose to have sex with once that little wrinkle is ironed out.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:06 am to VoxDawg
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That this would be the hill the conservatives want to die on is positively retarded. Why don't we try to stop our steady slide into socialism first, then we can wring our hands over who Brandi Love does or does not choose to have sex with once that little wrinkle is ironed out.
Partially serious and partially devil's advocate -
We've been giving away pieces of ourselves for years trying to win a larger game, how is that working out?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:07 am to MAADFACTS
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And yes, christin purity culture is feminist bullcrap that is meant to control our completely normal evolutionary instincts to impregnate beautiful women
Stable nuclear families are the building block of society. If you think unbridled sex drives and polyamorous relationships are strong drivers of a sound culture, you’re not paying attention.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:08 am to wareaglepete
You would not go to war under Elton John.
and I probably would not listen to record that was released by George Patton.
What does the situation demand and go from there.
and I probably would not listen to record that was released by George Patton.
What does the situation demand and go from there.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:09 am to the808bass
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Political conservatism and social conservatism are often conflated in our low-information society, but they are absolutely not the same thing and they do not go hand in hand.
You’re creating an artificial bifurcation of conservatism.
The way I see it is, the whole "big tent" idea has to cut both ways. There are plenty of "conservative" forums where I have no doubt an active pornographer would be perfectly welcome. Maybe even if I had one, they would.
On the other hand, I'm perfectly okay with one that espouses a particular religious/faith-based bent saying such a person is not welcome at their forum.
I don't see that as meaning we can't reach common ground on other issues and vote the same way in doing so. When voting is by and large ultimately a binary choice (I tend to believe people who think otherwise are doing nothing but kidding themselves), there's no "hypocrisy" in realizing, much more often than not, you will have to compromise on at least some principles in making your ultimate choice at the ballot box, with the alternative being you are just sacrificing all of them.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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It always has and when it no longer does it will be even less relevant
I found the guy media propaganda works on
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:14 am to VoxDawg
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That this would be the hill the conservatives want to die on is positively retarded
What hill is this and who died on it? One person got asked to leave one event. This isn’t the end of the aeon.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:14 am to the808bass
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You’re creating an artificial bifurcation of conservatism.
Completely untrue. They are distinct. Just as American political conservatism is for the most part very different from political conservatism in Europe and other parts of the world.
One (political conservatism) seeks to conserve the principles behind our system of government (i.e federalism and related concepts). The other (social conservatism) seeks to conserve Judeo-Christian religious principles. There is overlap when dealing with certain issues, and modern politcial debate further blurs those lines--but there is a difference.
The GOP's failure to understand that difference is one of its most basic flaws.
A person who is politically conservative is not necessarily a religious/social conservative.
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