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re: Pope reminds us during Palm Sunday mass that war is not Christian

Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by TBPland
League City, TX
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:34 pm to
This version of the pope was selected for monetary reasons, don’t look for deep theology and definitely not as a leader. Fix the Catholic Church first.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 4:13 am to
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You don’t u sweat and nuance, theology, philosophy, the Bible or words in general…
You're going to have to translate that to English for an exact response.

But as the problem here is the Pope's ridiculously concrete statement (as opposed to nuances of "theology, philosophy, the Bible, or words in general"), it sounds like a question which would be far better addressed to the Pope or supporters of his idiotic proclamation.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
10935 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 4:45 am to
But that thing catholics ignore that their priests do to boys, that they still claim to be against, yet still give the church money.. that's very christian.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:01 am to
Good talk, Russ.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9546 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:05 am to
The Pope is not God.

The Bible tells you to not worship idols.

Yet you Catholics line up and violate every tenant known.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:19 am to
Look… I get your points and I want all of those involved in prison for the rest of their lives. Better yet, just straight up decapitated.

However, you seem to think the sins of men are reason enough to turn away from institutions. When Jesus established His Church did you not realize Satan and demons would attack it? Why wouldn’t he try to infiltrate it and weaken it? Why wouldnt he try to attack its members to commit atrocities and spread that like a cancer? Why wouldnt he try to cause it to splinter into 30,000 denominations and weaken the unity? Why wouldnt he try to convince you the Eucharist is just a symbol?
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 6:26 am
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:24 am to
You are correct, the Pope isn’t God. Who told you he was?

Also, correct… The Bible says not to worship idols. You’re on a roll here.
Idolatry in the Bible is about misdirected worship. Anything can become an idol… money, power, status, even people. If it takes the place of God in your life.

You haven’t pointed out a single tenant we have violated yet so I’m not sure where you want this conversation to go.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:47 am to
Well you either respect and listen to the pope as a good Catholic or you don’t. The second you start saying “not my pope” but I’m still Catholic, no you’re not, you’re now Protestant. Maybe you should look into Calvinism. It’s basically Catholicism without the guy in the big hat. But you can’t be Catholic and go against the pope. That’s what makes you Catholic
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:52 am to
I’m glad the pope is finally calling out the Muslims

So brave
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:58 am to
That’s not actually how Catholic teaching works. Millions of people hate the Catholic Church for what they think it is.

Catholics are not required to believe the pope is right about everything he says or does. The pope is not personally infallible. Infallibility only applies in very specific, rare circumstances when he definitively teaches on faith and morals for the whole Church, not his opinions, interviews, or even most teachings.

Catholics can respectfully disagree with prudential judgments, political takes, or non-definitive statements. That has happened throughout Church history, even with saints.

At the same time, saying “not my pope” in the sense of rejecting his legitimacy would be a problem. But recognizing he is the valid pope while disagreeing with certain things he says or does is completely within Catholic tradition.

So no, it’s not “agree with everything or you’re Protestant.” That’s a misunderstanding of both Catholicism and the papacy. As I said, millions hate the Church for what they think it is.

What makes you Catholic is being in communion with the Church Christ founded, not pretending the pope is flawless.
Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
2525 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:02 am to
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The Pope is not God.

The Bible tells you to not worship idols.

Yet you Catholics line up and violate every tenant known.


I'm not Catholic, idiot. I don't like religions of any kind. You Protestant "Christians" pick and choose your own sins, just like everyone else.

This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 7:03 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138897 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:05 am to
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Why wouldn’t he try to infiltrate it and weaken it? Why wouldnt he try to attack its members to commit atrocities and spread that like a cancer? Why wouldnt he try to cause it to splinter into 30,000 denominations and weaken the unity? Why wouldnt he try to convince you the Eucharist is just a symbol?
Why wouldn't he try convince Christians to not fight back when non-Christians attack them, or label them "Infidels," or the "Great Satan" as an excuse to murder or subjugate them?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39676 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:11 am to
The Pope is right. Kinda. “The meek shall inherit the Earth”. Albeit he’d be down on all fours on a Prayer Rug worshiping Muhammad/Allah if soldiers with guns didn’t fight the wars required to defend his religion.

Somehow I’d feel guilty if I went through the Gates of Heaven via the Christian Faith that would not have been available to me but because of the bloodshed borne by those who fought, killed and died to guarantee such access. I’ll postpone Heaven and hang in here with my parents, uncles and all who pay for my access to Christianity before I stroll through on their sacrificial ‘sin’/karma.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:16 am to
My brother and I complain about this constantly. While I get the Pope’s messaging, we are sometimes way to nice and passive. You have to know when to punch people in the mouth.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:24 am to
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However, you seem to think the sins of men are reason enough to turn away from institutions.


At some point, yes. Just because there are no perfect institutions doesn't mean we just ignore the magnitude of the imperfections and stick with them no matter what.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:29 am to
If it’s the Church that Christ started with apostolic succession, the Eucharist and the fullness of truth then yes… yes you do.

You root out the evil and do everything you can to crush it while preserving and building what Christ gave us. His Ecclesia where not even the gates of Hades would prevail.

Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3691 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:30 am to
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So God didn't listen to the prayers of every king that ever ruled Israel and Judah? Theologically highly doubtful.

Yes, they didn’t call him “Yahweh Sabaoth” (Lord of the heavenly army) for nothing. King David was constantly warring with surrounding Canaanite tribes and the Philistines and the only thing he ever did that Yahweh didn’t like was when he raped Bathsheba (not that Yahweh gives a shite about the woman’s rights or emotions, but because it “damaged” Uriah the Hittite’s personal property). And David talked back and forth with Yahweh on the regular.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:30 am to
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If


Exactly.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2415 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:35 am to
The evidence is there my friend. I didn’t see it for 20 years. If you approach it with an open mind you will see that the only logical answers are Orthodoxy and Catholicism. After that you get into the nitty gritty
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3691 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:35 am to
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quote:

Arise, LORD! Deliver me, my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked. Psalm 3:7
Women and children and elderly are not enemies.

Are you sure? Check Psalm 137.
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8O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! 9Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Seems to me they got what was coming to them for warring across the Sinai and the Canaanite countryside killing innocent elderly, women, children, and babies of other Canaanite tribes at Yahweh’s command.
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