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re: Pope Francis extends Catholic priests' right to forgive abortion
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:12 pm to DupontsCircle
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:12 pm to DupontsCircle
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FWIW as a Protestant I believe all sins are forgivable by God. I still can't figure out what right a priest has to do it.
That's because priests have no right to forgive sins.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:13 pm to crazycubes
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Until you have to look at another human in the eye and vocalize your worst sins, I question if you know what a contrite heart really feels like.
Utter nonsense. Only God knows your heart when you ask forgiveness. Telling your sins to another person doesn't mean you are truly seeking redemption.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:16 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yes, the Catholic church does twist and misinterpret that verse instead of taking it into context with all of the rest of Jesus' teachings. Jesus was saying something similar to what He had stated to the apostles many other times. He was saying to them, and us, that we are able to express when someone has been forgiven ans to tell when people are burdened with sin. He stated this many times.
Only God has the power to forgive sins. He did not change that.
I think you have that quite backwards. There's no mental gymnastics and bad exegesis required for the Catholic interpretation. It plainly states what it states. Your interpretation of that quote shows absolutely no knowledge of context and totally ignores that the apostles were also given the authority to not forgive sins. Perhaps you need to study the rabbinical interpretation of what binding and loosing meant to those that heard Jesus' words. More importantly, you should read some patristic writings to discover what the apostles and those that were taught the faith by those apostles thought it meant. As a general rule, you should conform your beliefs as to what Scripture states, not the other way around.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:18 pm to GEAUXmedic
The key is the contrition of the person who had the abortion.
It's no different than someone on death row asking and then being granted forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a hallmark of Christianity.
It's no different than someone on death row asking and then being granted forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a hallmark of Christianity.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:19 pm to GEAUXmedic
I'm curious how the pro life people on here would like another 50 million, mostly criminal, people to be alive today
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:22 pm to el Gaucho
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I'm curious how the pro life people on here would like another 50 million, mostly criminal, people to be alive today
So this.
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mostly criminal
opens up other things. Like would it be worth it to have the 50 million, including criminals, if 1 of them were the one to cure cancer, cure Alzheimer's, stopped 9/11 before it happened, etc. You see it works both ways.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:40 pm to tke857
I knew before I even clicked on this thread that it would devolve into a Protestant vs. Catholic thing.
I'm on team Protestant FWIW.
I'm on team Protestant FWIW.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:12 pm to AUveritas
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I think you have that quite backwards. There's no mental gymnastics and bad exegesis required for the Catholic interpretation. It plainly states what it states. Your interpretation of that quote shows absolutely no knowledge of context and totally ignores that the apostles were also given the authority to not forgive sins. Perhaps you need to study the rabbinical interpretation of what binding and loosing meant to those that heard Jesus' words. More importantly, you should read some patristic writings to discover what the apostles and those that were taught the faith by those apostles thought it meant. As a general rule, you should conform your beliefs as to what Scripture states, not the other way around.
Pretty sure we can look back at historical and patristic writings and see what the early disciples and early church were doing in regards to reconciliation and confession. Also, in Acts, it speaks of Peter and the apostles going around and forgiving sins, casting out demons, and worshipping in community. This certainly points towards the idea that the apostles had an authority uniquely bestowed upon them by Christ.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:44 pm to south bama tiger
Comparing the authority of the Apostles of Jesus' time to the modern-day child touching catholic hierarchy is a little disingenuous, don't you think?
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:51 pm to south bama tiger
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Pretty sure we can look back at historical and patristic writings and see what the early disciples and early church were doing in regards to reconciliation and confession. Also, in Acts, it speaks of Peter and the apostles going around and forgiving sins, casting out demons, and worshipping in community. This certainly points towards the idea that the apostles had an authority uniquely bestowed upon them by Christ.
My point exactly. The early church fathers' teachings and those of the Catholic Church are consistent.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:52 pm to tke857
He may be The False Prophet.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
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Once again, partisans are going to get all hot and bothered over the Pope restating long-established church doctrine.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:56 pm to Manzielathon
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Comparing the authority of the Apostles of Jesus' time to the modern-day child touching catholic hierarchy is a little disingenuous, don't you think?
Implying that all current priests are child touching deviants is just as disingenuous.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:09 pm to tke857
frick this pope. Jesus is my pope
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:50 pm to imjustafatkid
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Utter nonsense. Only God knows your heart when you ask forgiveness. Telling your sins to another person doesn't mean you are truly seeking redemption.
Spoken like someone who has never been to confession. So I say again... until you have to look at another human in the eye and vocalize your worst sins, I question if you know what a contrite heart really feels like.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:52 pm to tke857
I thought forgiveness was up to God not the Pope. That is a damn cult.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:57 pm to GEAUXmedic
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#NotMyPope
Jesuit old man has a shady past in South America.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:01 pm to DupontsCircle
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Glad to see the Catholic Church has progressed to white washing murder.
Since when did Jesus withhold forgiveness from repentant sinners?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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That's because priests have no right to forgive sins.
The priest hearing confession is in persona Christi, acting on behalf of Jesus, not simply a priest.
It sounds like you don't understand the sacrament of reconciliation.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:17 pm to imjustafatkid
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That's because priests have no right to forgive sins.
Priests to NOT forgive sins. This is a common misconception. During the sacrament you never ask the priest to forgive you. You ask God to forgive you. The priest is there to hear your confession and absolve your sins and welcome you back in communion with the church.
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