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re: Poll: Protestants decline, more have no religion in a sharply shifting religious landscape
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:56 am to TheHarahanian
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:56 am to TheHarahanian
quote:but these are the churches that are growing. they changed with the times whereas traditional, mainstream denominations did not.
Lots of churches turned their services into a pop/rock concert followed by a pep rally.
quote:contemporary, evangelical churches are mostly deadly serious about this. they haven't compromised on inerrancy nor accommodated to societal pressures. liberal, traditional churches are playing fast and loose with scripture/doctrine/etc.
If religion doesn’t provide some moral direction it’s useless. And sometimes that means delivering sermons that don’t leave people feeling good about themselves.
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:57 am to bfniii
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they stuck with the church for mostly social reasons.
This is huge. Decades ago, if you were an elected official, or owned a local business, it was essential for you to be seen in church, and that was why many people attended.
It’s no longer a requirement in our society.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:57 am to Man4others
quote:some protestants
Protestants don’t have a clear message and are constantly changing their doctrine
quote:what the heck? wayyyyyy off base
Catholics are firm in their beliefs & doctrine so they haven’t seen any decline
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:58 am to bfniii
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:58 am to Kentucker
quote:unhelpful overgeneralization
Now preachers are indistinguishable from politicians, the single most despised group in our country.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:58 am to Bench McElroy
You seem to think this is a good thing for society. It's not. Christians typically make excellent citizens. Shocking, considering they believe it's wrong to kill, lie, steal, etc etc, and that there are consequences for their actions. You would prefer a society full of people who think only what they want and feel is important. The judeo-christian ethic is what made this country great in the first place
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:59 am to joeyb147
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liberalism is their religion
This can’t be said enough. It’s the irony in their hatred for the ‘blind following of religion’
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:00 am to narddogg81
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Christians typically make excellent citizens.
Sure, but they don't hold a monopoly on it. Jews typically make excellent citizens. Buddhists typically make excellent citizens. Agnostics typically make excellent citizens. Etc, etc.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:08 am to bfniii
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Lots of churches turned their services into a pop/rock concert followed by a pep rally.
but these are the churches that are growing. they changed with the times whereas traditional, mainstream denominations did not.
quote:
If religion doesn’t provide some moral direction it’s useless. And sometimes that means delivering sermons that don’t leave people feeling good about themselves.
contemporary, evangelical churches are mostly deadly serious about this. they haven't compromised on inerrancy nor accommodated to societal pressures. liberal, traditional churches are playing fast and loose with scripture/doctrine/etc.
I want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly, because this is an interesting take...
Your assertion is that the contemporary pop/rock concert churches are the ones who are "deadly serious" about scripture and dogma, and it's the traditional churches that are "playing fast and loose?"
Or are you separating "concert churches" and "contemporary, evangelical churches"?
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:23 am to teke184
A lot of conservatives have a mistaken understand ing of the Episcopal Church.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:24 am to Bench McElroy
Our nation is been blowing shite up and killing people every day for the past 15-16 years. Young people see thru the bullshite of a nation that claims to be "Christian". The Bible is full of contradictions and myths which have no basis in reality. It has become an outdated and extremely flawed book on which to base one's life. In general, people are less gullible to something which is subjected to interpretation by those who want your money but claim to be able to save your soul. Snake handling has been over-exposed and it is a good thing. Overall, this is a positive trend.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:32 am to Big12fan
Not trying to start a "religion is good/bad" debate with you, but...
Might want to re-think how you frame your argument...
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The nation’s religious makeup has shifted dramatically in the past 15 years, with a sharp drop in the number of Americans who say they’re members of a Protestant denomination – still the nation’s most prevalent religious group – and a rise in the number who profess no religion.
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Our nation is been blowing shite up and killing people every day for the past 15-16 years. Young people see thru the bullshite of a nation that claims to be "Christian".
Might want to re-think how you frame your argument...
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:38 am to Kentucker
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evangelical white Protestants, an important political group.
This is what's wrong with America and is killing religion for many. I remember when politics in the church was anathema. Now preachers are indistinguishable from politicians, the single most despised group in our country.
Let's always blame the white, protestant, evangelicals, when black (not Republican nor conservative) ministers wield tremendous political power in the inner cities.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:41 am to Kentucker
quote:when i said holding steady i was including several factors that i've already mentioned. first, church plants are strong. those will probably yield new members in future demographic polls. second, tithing is continuing to increase. there has been a reduction in population, from 26% to 17% over 10 years. but as i said, evangelical churches are adjusting and adapting.
The Christian Science Monitor disagrees with you
the membership numbers aren't the top priority for evangelicals anyway. orthodoxy is top priority. God takes care of the numbers.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:43 am to narddogg81
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Christians typically make excellent citizens
They also make excellent corrupt politicians
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:47 am to teke184
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I’m sure at least some of this is tied to the subversion of a number of Protestant denominations.
Anyone want to guess the number of people claiming Methodist, Unitarian, or Episcopalian lately?
Leftist churches are populated by faithless people who attend based on the inertia of their upbringing. The children of faithless people take no such inertia into their adult lives. They either experience and become Christians individually (and then revert to more orthodox churches) or don't and stop attending entirely.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:49 am to UGATiger26
quote:it's not my assertion. it's a fact.
Your assertion
quote:this is a bit of a generalization but, in general, contemporary evangelical churches are holding fast to say, the bf&m 2000 or some other similar traditionally orthodox creed and they are baptizing regularly.
contemporary pop/rock concert churches are the ones who are "deadly serious" about scripture and dogma
liberal, mainline churches are not. papal comments from the last several decades prove this. methodists are struggling mightily with accommodation. they are what i call post gospel churches. romans 10:9 really isn't a big deal for them overall. now, there are plenty of wonderful, evangelical catholics, methodists, presbyterians, cbf baptists, etc. i'm speaking about the overall theology of those groups.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:51 am to Jjdoc
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church leaders and pastors stopped going out to their own people. They stopped visiting the neighborhood.
Very true. At our Methodist church when I was a teen, we had a group of 8-10 men who once a week went out and visited non-participating members and also any new neighbors in close proximity to the church.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:54 am to Adam Banks
This trend is generally accepted to have started in 1517.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:55 am to Big12fan
quote:you seem to be implying that the two things are mutually exclusive. perhaps you/they are uneducated on the subject.
Our nation is been blowing shite up and killing people every day for the past 15-16 years. Young people see thru the bullshite of a nation that claims to be "Christian".
quote:not a single one. they have all been dealt with a million times over for the last 200 years when these ridiculous assertions started to be put forward by the first quest for the historical jesus. perhaps you are unaware of the responses to these misconceptions.
The Bible is full of contradictions and myths which have no basis in reality.
quote:compared to what?
It has become an outdated and extremely flawed book on which to base one's life.
quote:what the frick? have you looked around this board lately? article after article of how stupid young people are today. totally snookered by the mainstream media. libs don't want to even hear the other side of the story. you talk about blowing things up without mentioning those berkeley knuckleheads who start destroying things at the MERE SUGGESTION that a conservative speaker will be there. wow.
In general, people are less gullible to something which is subjected to interpretation by those who want your money but claim to be able to save your soul.
quote:how many people are actually doing this that you know of? caricature much?
Snake handling has been over-exposed and it is a good thing
you seem pretty ignorant.
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