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re: Police go to wrong house, shoot and kill homeowner

Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:27 pm to
Classic dumb frick pigs
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:30 pm to

Never own your own home.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Incredible that the response from the “LEO” side in these situations is always, at best, that the cops should be fired.
Does lawsuits, dismissals, and possible Involuntary Manslaughter charges sound like a walk in the park to you?
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:32 pm to
Thoughts are as follows.


1) absolute incompetence and frankly negligence to roll up on a house in the middle of the night and start knocking when you aren’t even sure you’re at the correct place.


2) I did hear them announce who they were but being that it’s the middle of the night and you only announced initially, it’s easily conceivable that the homeowner didn’t hear you, particularly if he was sleeping.

3) the pointing the gun part may be how they somewhat wiggle off the hook but it’s hard to blame a man for protecting his home.




All in all, this seems like a case of gross incompetence and the officers/department who killed him should be civilly and criminally liable. Seems like a 2nd or 3rd degree murder case.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:37 pm to
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All in all, this seems like a case of gross incompetence and the officers who killed him should be civilly and criminally liable.
combination of incompetence and just don't give a shite. Nonchalantly asking what was the address? For a domestic violence call? Who trains these dumbasses? Flood the front yard with blue lights and read the damn address.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:41 pm to
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combination of incompetence and just don't give a shite. Nonchalantly asking what was the address? For a domestic violence call? Who trains these dumbasses? Flood the front yard with blue lights and read the damn address.




Hard to argue with that take. If you’re going to a house in the middle of the night like that, you should be beating on the door and very loudly, clearly as well as repeatedly announcing who you are.


Like I said earlier, I get the part about them “defending themselves” once a gun is pointed at them. Problem I have is that the only reason that situation occurred is because of multiple failures and god-awful judgements by the officers that set the table for the outcome.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:41 pm to
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yet they were just standing there wondering what address they were supposed to be at and what address they were actually at. They sounded like fricking domino's delivery instead of leos responding to a potentially violent situation.

Did you not see that they knocked on the door and identified themselves BEFORE they realized their mistake? Would you expect them to simply turn around and go back to their car without telling the awakens homeowner of their mistake?
C'mon, man!
Just think about it!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:41 pm to
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What do y'all think?

Murder
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:42 pm to
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So let me understand. They are not sure what address they are at, BUT they are damn sure the guy opening the door was worth shooting instantly multiple times w/o any warnings?



Yes. But the important thing is, the boys in blue made it back home to spend time with their family.

Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Would you expect them to simply turn around and go back to their car without telling the awakens homeowner of their mistake?
oh so that's what they were doing? Waiting to apologize before shooting him?
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Did you not see that they knocked on the door and identified themselves BEFORE they realized their mistake? Would you expect them to simply turn around and go back to their car without telling the awakens homeowner of their mistake? C'mon, man! Just think about it!



I may have missed it but what I saw was they announced themselves but it was only once and early in their arrival. Entirely possible if the HO is in bed that he didn’t hear that initial announcement.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:42 pm to
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I think it’s way too early to come to any conclusions.


HOLY frickING shite

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They may have gone to the wrong address, but the homeowner came out with a firearm pointed at them while they thought they were going to a domestic dispute call.


Did they have a right to invade his property?

Did they ever announce who they were when they were attempting a felony (unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling)?

Under what circumstance is it improper or wrong to investigate a crime being committed on your property with a weapon?

Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
31091 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:43 pm to
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Hard to argue with that take. If you’re going to a house in the middle of the night like that, you should be beating on the door and very loudly, clearly as well as repeatedly announcing who you are.
Go back and rewatch the tape. They DID beat on the door and identified themselves!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:45 pm to
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The fools who are belittling the LEOs on boards like this one, don't have a clue about what it's like to be a patrol officer, especially at night!


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:46 pm to
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The problem is they don't know what they're about to encounter when they walk up to the door of a house

THEN GO TO THE RIGHT frickING HOUSE

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More LEOs are killed responding to domestic violence calls than ANY other call!

The domestic abuse situation was at ANOTHER HOUSE
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
1055 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:46 pm to
Gun owners need to educate themselves. Home owner should NEVER have opened the door at night, with a gun in plain view. That's ignorant. Do not open the door. At all. If you do need to open the door, holster the gun out of sight.

Massad Ayoob - answering door with a gun

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:47 pm to
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Would you expect them to simply turn around and go back to their car without telling the awakens homeowner of their mistake?

seems more reasonable than murdering him
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:48 pm to
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Did they ever announce who they were...
Yes, BEFORE they realized their mistake...rewatch the tape.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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476580 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:50 pm to
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Yes, BEFORE they realized their mistake...rewatch the tape.

So they never announced it to the innocent homeowner directly?

You think announcing who they are minutes before when it's clear the homeowner didn't hear is enough?

Holy fricking shite
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6582 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:50 pm to
Do you have a link to the full video? All I’ve found was splices from news stories.
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