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re: Police go to wrong house, shoot and kill homeowner
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:04 pm to JiminyCricket
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:04 pm to JiminyCricket
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Cops were wrong here and it's really not debatable.
But Georgia fan wants to wait for all the facts to come out
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:17 pm to the808bass
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The police killed a guy because they went to the wrong address. “They were on their way to a domestic.” Yeah. At another address.
This is involuntary manslaughter and a wrongful death suit that should come out of the pension fund for this department. But it won’t.
If he doesn't come to his door pointing a firearm at three LEOs, 99.9% chance that there is no shooting.
It's definitely a wrongful death situation, and if they're convicted, throw the book at all three of them. I absolutely hope that his family is taken care of, as much as they can be considering they lost a loved one.
All I've been saying this entire time is to let it play out in the justice system rather than coming to a snap judgment over body cam footage and no full investigation, because we don't know all the circumstances and there could be more to the story than this one vantage point.
These LEOs didn't know who was coming for them. We know after the fact that it was a homeowner who otherwise wouldn't be a threat, but at the time they have someone aiming a firearm at them.
A lot of the posters in this thread (not necessarily you, 808) are wanting to grab the torches and pitchforks before they know all of the details. Asking people to pump the brakes and let the details come to the surface has somehow been a huge deal.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:22 pm to TerryDawg03
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If LEO DON’T WRONGLY come to his door, 100% chance that there is no shooting.
FIFY!
This post was edited on 4/16/23 at 6:51 am
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:22 pm to TerryDawg03
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If he doesn't come to his door
It’s his fricking house.
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pointing a firearm
He was a US citizen by all accounts.
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three LEOs, 99.9% chance that there is no shooting.
Cops have shot unarmed people because they “felt threatened” on multiple occasions.
If those pieces of shite don’t show up to the wrong house in the middle of the night banging on the door, there is a 100% chance there is no shooting.
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All I've been saying this entire time is to let it play out in the justice system rather than coming to a snap judgment over body cam footage and no full investigation, because we don't know all the circumstances and there could be more to the story than this one vantage point
What brand of boot is your favorite flavor? Is there a difference in taste?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:22 pm to Dex Morgan
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So in other words, you have no respect for the 2nd Amendment and believe the lives of cops matter more than citizens.
In this case, the 4th amendment is probably more relevant, and yes, I have absolute respect for it. I am against no-knock warrants and am glad that Rand sought the legislation he did after the situation in Louisville.
It's the snap judgments in this thread that are the issue. Just as I respect the homeowner's 4th amendment rights, I respect the 6th amendment rights of the law enforcement officers.
The majority of posters in this thread seem to be ignoring the 6th amendment rights of the LEOs.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:24 pm to TerryDawg03
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rather than coming to a snap judgment over body cam footage
Watching the actual event and forming an opinion about it isn't exactly a snap judgement.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:29 pm to TerryDawg03
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The majority of posters in this thread seem to be ignoring the 6th amendment rights of the LEOs.
The VAST majority of these cases end up with no criminal punishment of any kind for the cops because they are afforded an untold number of additional protections in the legal system that the average citizen doesn’t have access to.
These cops were no different than an average citizen being at that house because they had no legal reason to be there. If an average citizen shoots and kills this homeowner in the exact same situation, he’s already in jail and you aren’t saying a fricking thing about letting the facts come out.
But you just cant resist the taste of that sweet sweet leather.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:29 pm to Flats
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Watching the actual event and forming an opinion about it isn't exactly a snap judgement.
Watching one vantage point and forming an opinion without a full investigation won't get these LEOs convicted in a court of law.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:36 pm to TerryDawg03
I highly doubt you'd give this same courtesy to someone who shot a cop.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:36 pm to TerryDawg03
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Watching one vantage point and forming an opinion without a full investigation won't get these LEOs convicted in a court of law.
Has anyone suggested it would?
It doesn't change the fact that your statement just isn't accurate. If they read an article and the man's girlfriend claimed he had his hands up or whatever, that would be a snap judgement. Watching the bodycam is more information than was even possible not too long ago. It's better than sitting through an entire jury trial with 20 different eyewitnesses.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:36 pm to Open Your Eyes
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The VAST majority of these cases end up with no criminal punishment of any kind for the cops because they are afforded an untold number of additional protections in the legal system that the average citizen doesn’t have access to.
Please support with some actual statistics.
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These cops were no different than an average citizen being at that house because they had no legal reason to be there. If an average citizen shoots and kills this homeowner in the exact same situation, he’s already in jail and you aren’t saying a fricking thing about letting the facts come out.
This is pretty hyperbolic. That average citizen would go through the applicable process just as these LEOs will.
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But you just cant resist the taste of that sweet sweet leather.
Apparently you can't resist insults when someone has a counterpoint that rubs you the wrong way.
Adams felt that the men in Boston deserved their day in court and hesitantly defended them because of it.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:42 pm to Flats
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Watching one vantage point and forming an opinion without a full investigation won't get these LEOs convicted in a court of law.
Has anyone suggested it would?
This entire thread has assumed their guilt based on body cam footage alone.
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It doesn't change the fact that your statement just isn't accurate. If they read an article and the man's girlfriend claimed he had his hands up or whatever, that would be a snap judgement. Watching the bodycam is more information than was even possible not too long ago. It's better than sitting through an entire jury trial with 20 different eyewitnesses.
I agree with you about body cam footage, but again, it's only one vantage point. It could accurate represent everything that happened, but that's for the CJ System to decide.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:45 pm to Dex Morgan
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I highly doubt you'd give this same courtesy to someone who shot a cop.
You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but I contend that everyone deserves their protected rights, including those who attack LEOs.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:45 pm to TerryDawg03
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but that's for the CJ System to decide.
Nobody's saying differently and you're being pedantic and hypocritical about the entire thing for some reason.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:46 pm to TerryDawg03
Meanwhile these tyrant clowns are still getting a paycheck after killing an innocent person. You're average citizen can lose their job over a social media post. You're average citizen also doesn't have a militant police union that will defend them no matter how horrible their actions were. Oh, and the taxpayers won't foot the bill if I screw up. Every penny I own can be taken from me. These cops won't lose a cent. You're lying to yourself and everyone else by claiming there's no difference here.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:47 pm to Flats
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Nobody's saying differently and you're being pedantic and hypocritical about the entire thing for some reason.
How, exactly?
ETA: Just ignore that. We have different opinions on some things, and on others we seem to agree. This conversation is really going nowhere, so I'm checking out.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:54 pm to TerryDawg03
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How, exactly?
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If he doesn't come to his door pointing a firearm at three LEOs, 99.9% chance that there is no shooting.
Why is it ok for you to reach conclusions but nobody else can?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:55 pm to TerryDawg03
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Please support with some actual statistics
Daniel shaver, tamir rice, breonna Taylor, richard Lee Richards, magdiel Sanchez, etc
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This is pretty hyperbolic.
And yet you don’t even attempt to deny it.
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That average citizen would go through the applicable process just as these LEOs will.
That average citizen is cuffed and put in jail that night awaiting trial. These cops are on paid vacation. Why does the taste of boot cause you to lie so much?
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Apparently you can't resist insults
Facts aren’t insults.
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when someone has a counterpoint that rubs you the wrong way.
You have no points or counterpoints. You just have stupidity and undeserved blind loyalty
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Adams felt that the men in Boston deserved their day in court and hesitantly defended them because of it.
Where did I or anyone else say these cops shouldn’t have a lawyer defend them in the mythical criminal trial they’re never going to go through?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:00 pm to TerryDawg03
I haven't read whole thread as it's kinda derailed into support LEO no matter what bs, which is your stance.
So, are you tied to LE agencies and/or ties to those that are LEO? Your defense of this indefensible killing of an innocent homeowner because of complete LEO incompetence is weird.
Come clean. You have some ties here.
So, are you tied to LE agencies and/or ties to those that are LEO? Your defense of this indefensible killing of an innocent homeowner because of complete LEO incompetence is weird.
Come clean. You have some ties here.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:10 pm to TuaDezNutzOnYoChin
When I clicked the video I was expecting some outrageous situation, such as Police busting in the door and killing some old baw asleep on his couch. That's not what happened here at all.
The home owner overreacted big time. First of all, it is pretty obvious it was the Police. But even if he didn't know, he should have just stayed inside and called Police. (If they start busting in anyway, then you can shoot). But you can't just run out like Rambo and kill someone just because they knock on your door. That's not how it works.
The home owner overreacted big time. First of all, it is pretty obvious it was the Police. But even if he didn't know, he should have just stayed inside and called Police. (If they start busting in anyway, then you can shoot). But you can't just run out like Rambo and kill someone just because they knock on your door. That's not how it works.
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