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re: Please tell me why we should NOT see Trump’s tax returns.

Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:25 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:25 am to
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I could probably type a hundred thousand words of things I would find interesting if I could have that information that I'd still don't think somebody should be compelled to turn over just because they want to run for office
True, and I have said REPEATEDLY that Trump is within his rights in declining to release the returns.

But finding something “interesting” is not the point. The question is whether a given tax return of ANY candidate for POTUS would reveal otherwise-hidden facts that would change the views of the electorate vis-a-vis that candidate.

For example, HRC campaigned as a supporter of abortion rights. Do you think she might have lost a few votes, if her tax return included forms 1099 indicating that she served as a compensated consultant to the National Right to Life Committee from 2000 through 2016?
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 8:38 am
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:25 am to
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Again, Trump is within his legal rights in declining to release his tax returns. But it is disingenuous to claim that the release of such returns could NEVER provide information useful to the electorate.



It is "disingenuous" to claim that the media and Democrats (same thing) will even remotely treat the information fairly, especially after Harry Reid replied "We won" after being challenged for lying about Mitt Romney's taxes.

99% of the general public will not understand the information and will rely on the press and Democrats (because Republicans are cowards) to fairly tell them what the information is.

frick that shite.

"serious question" - If the media was as slanted in the other direction as they are in yours and Obama was business partners with the president of Kenya would you be hunky dory with everyone having the media and Republicans tell us what was in his tax returns?
Posted by shrevetigertom
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2005
4452 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:26 am to
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It will just be fodder for demagoguery
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:30 am to
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For example, HRC campaigned as a supporter of abortion rights. Do you think she might have lost a few votes, if her tax return included forms 1099 indicating that she served as a compensated consultant to the National Right to Life Committee from 2000 through 2016


Two things. First. You and I both know that the people asking for his tax returns aren't looking for any such thing. You know why they want them and trying to pretend it's for something like this is disingenuous in the extreme

Second the odds that a politician would do something so out in the open that ended up on their tax returns in such a clear manner are roughly similar to The Ides that I'm going to be climbing the empire State building next year
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135434 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:30 am to
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The question is whether a given tax return of ANY candidate for POTUS would reveal otherwise-hidden facts that would change the views of the electorate.p vis-a-vis that candidate.
Again, you are suggesting criminal disagreement between Financial Disclosure Forms and Tax Filings. Are you doing that intentionally?
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:31 am to
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What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I say let's have all politicians show their tax returns.


let's go beyond that and require them to all release the source docs too.

to quote the OP

quote:

I, as an American citizen, should see MY (rep/sen/city council) President’s (financial info) tax returns so that I know who is funding him(her/it/zhe). Why is that a controversial position?
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 8:36 am
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:32 am to
Too bad that’s not an actual schedule, deficit would disappear from DC alone.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:33 am to
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Again, you are suggesting criminal disagreement between Financial Disclosure Forms and Tax Filings. Are you doing that intentionally?



It's more like Liberal Hank has no idea what hes talking about. He just has severe TDS
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:33 am to
Oh, so somebody downvotes the obvious truth.

As I suspected the people arguing for releasing the returns are "disingenuous" liars.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:33 am to
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I, as an American citizen, should see MY President’s tax returns so that I know who is funding him


Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:34 am to
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Again, you are suggesting criminal disagreement between Financial Disclosure Forms and Tax Filings. Are you doing that intentionally

Like most of the lawyers that post on this board Aggie comes here primarily for the purpose of stroking his ego in terms of debate
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:35 am to
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I want to know if the person my fellow citizens elected is being influenced by outside sources


And you think that will be in his tax returns?

How stupid are you?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:35 am to
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I'm a CPA, but I don't think looking at someone's tax returns will tell you much of anything without seeing the source docs. Other than income received and deductions taken (which truly doesn't tell you anything at all), what do you think you will see?
In my litigation experience, one sometimes finds useful information on the tax form itself, but (more often) a tax return lets one identify a trail to follow to the actual useful information.

As an absoluttely hypothetical example, let’s say that a given return includes a 1065 for a partnership with Beria LLC. That alone tells me very little, but the name “Beria” catches my eye, so I do additional research. I learn that Beria LLC is owned by ten individuals whose names end in “ov” and who use the same Manhattan address. Further research reveals that all ten are Russian citizens, three of whom are in Putin’s inner circle.

The return itseld did not “say” anything damaging. It DID, however, allow me to learn something quite interesting (and potentially “important”) that I would never have known without seeing the return.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 8:36 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:37 am to
LOL @ Hank lawyering
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:38 am to
So you, and your firm, can do more than Mueller and $30 million - I guess you should send your resume to Pelosi.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 8:40 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:40 am to
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In my litigation experience, one sometimes finds useful information on the tax form itself, but (more often) a tax return lets one identify a trail to follow to the actual useful information.


Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2931 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:41 am to
I honestly don't give a frick about his taxes. Hell, I can barely stand my own...
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:41 am to
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If the media was as slanted in the other direction as they are in yours and Obama was business partners with the president of Kenya would you be hunky dory with everyone having the media and Republicans tell us what was in his tax returns?
Setting aside your erroneous predicat re my political affiliation, I would ABSOLUTELY want to see the tax forms regarding this hypothetical partnership.

Experts and advocates on BOTH sides would examine those forms, and I could evaluate the analysis from both sides.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12322 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:42 am to
Please tell me why we were not allowed to see Obama’s birth certificate
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:43 am to
I've spent an entire career dealing with idiots like you. You don't know jack shite about tax returns or finances.
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