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re: please list the advantages of term limits
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:50 am to SuperSaint
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:50 am to SuperSaint
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Being able to pull the lever for whatever candidate you would like is ‘freedom’
So Trump 2024?
I assume you would not take this approach for the President. Tell me how this logic holds up.
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:51 am to Homesick Tiger
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It's all about party of a politician and not his/her politics.
this...i agree with.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:52 am to CptRusty
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cool, so should this also apply to the presidency?
yes. i think that, if you're voted in by the people, you should remain president. i mean......why not?
the people have spoken. isn't that what the constitution is about?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:53 am to oldcharlie8
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ou'd be ok with him/her stepping down because the HAVE to and not because they were voted out?
Yes. Because that's how term limits work.
I believe the benefits of term limits far outweigh any potential "loss of rare genius" that may occur as a result.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:53 am to oldcharlie8
Yes.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:53 am to oldcharlie8
They are given less time to truly perfect their craft (corruption)
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:54 am to oldcharlie8
quote:I mean, if not for term limits, you'd be looking at Obama's third term right now. This example alone is why we need term limits.
incumbency is the very definition of the people voting for the candidate again and again because WE the people want said candidate in office AGAIN.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:55 am to CptRusty
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Yes. Because that's how term limits work.
i wasn't questioning how it works. i was asking what you thought the advantages were.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:55 am to oldcharlie8
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yes. i think that, if you're voted in by the people, you should remain president. i mean......why not?
well at least your consistent in your awful opinion
Personally I think the old joke holds true:
Politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:56 am to Yak
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if not for term limits, you'd be looking at Obama's third term right now.
because the people voted him in for a 3rd? just because he wasn't mine and your candidate doesn't mean that the majority rule doesn't apply anymore.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:56 am to oldcharlie8
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should we not vote anymore and just appoint?
Listen, i know you thought you had a big gotcha, but you are quite the dullard. You asked to list the advantages of term limits. I did. If term limits were instituted, we'd be better off as a country.
To your point, just because someone is voted in, doesn't mean they aren't corrupt. Look at your members of congress and how their personal wealth significantly increased since being in congress, well above their salary. Again, yes they were still voted in, doesn't mean that term limits shouldn't be applied to all. If anything, it proves that the electorate choose a familiar face over someone new, if they know nothing about the candidates.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:57 am to oldcharlie8
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i wasn't questioning how it works. i was asking what you thought the advantages were.
actually you asked if we'd be OK with it.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 11:58 am to oldcharlie8
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yes. i think that, if you're voted in by the people, you should remain president. i mean......why not?
the people have spoken. isn't that what the constitution is about?
The constitution put limits on the presidency. So when you say, "isn't that what the constitution is about" maybe you should know what you are talking about.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:01 pm to oldcharlie8
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vote them out.
People just aren't self aware in this area. For example, a person from Maryland may scream about Pelosi and Schumer and others being in the house for so long, but then turn around and vote for a Steny Hoyer every two years. People always think their Rep. is the good one. Above reproach and of the highest character and integrity. We are a nation of sheep.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:02 pm to wareaglepete
Here's the biggest argument FOR term limits.
If someone knows they have a limited time to leave their mark, he or she would work harder to get meaningful legislation pushed instead of spending their entire time fundraising and campaigning for reelection.
If someone knows they have a limited time to leave their mark, he or she would work harder to get meaningful legislation pushed instead of spending their entire time fundraising and campaigning for reelection.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:02 pm to wareaglepete
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People just aren't self aware in this area. For example, a person from Maryland may scream about Pelosi and Schumer and others being in the house for so long, but then turn around and vote for a Steny Hoyer every two years. People always think their Rep. is the good one. Above reproach and of the highest character and integrity. We are a nation of sheep.
This. Term limits allow us to save ourselves, from ourselves.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:04 pm to BugAC
quote:Perfect
Term limits allow us to save ourselves, from ourselves.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:04 pm to oldcharlie8
Term limits is a great start but it is 1 of several things thats needs to be done.
The advantages is it will cost the establishment a lot more money building different brands (people) since it is a lot more to build brands than it is to maintain them. This will better even the playing field across the board.
But you also need to take away a lot of these funds by not allowing corporations to act as people donating to politicians and also stopping foreign donations with very deep penalties in place.
I have zero confidence this can simply be voted in we are too far entrenched into the establishment. It would take a civil war at this point to force term limits, they will never give them willingly. Last i checked term limits were wanted by 83% of the population. If we had a real representative republic as you naively suggested, they would already be in place.
The advantages is it will cost the establishment a lot more money building different brands (people) since it is a lot more to build brands than it is to maintain them. This will better even the playing field across the board.
But you also need to take away a lot of these funds by not allowing corporations to act as people donating to politicians and also stopping foreign donations with very deep penalties in place.
I have zero confidence this can simply be voted in we are too far entrenched into the establishment. It would take a civil war at this point to force term limits, they will never give them willingly. Last i checked term limits were wanted by 83% of the population. If we had a real representative republic as you naively suggested, they would already be in place.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:07 pm to oldcharlie8
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please give me your opinion on the advantages of term limits
Entrenched "bought" politicians cycle out...
Fresher ideas get cycled in
Heck I'd rather 1 term politicians with a touch longer cycle, that way they'd stop campaigning...
4 yr Rep
6 yr POTUS
10 yr Senator...Senator goes back to being State responsibility
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:11 pm to oldcharlie8
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so....you think that we should just appoint then?
No.
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incumbency is the very definition of the people voting for the candidate again and again because WE the people want said candidate in office AGAIN.
Disingenuous.
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