re: "Please do not call Russia the aggressor in their war with Ukraine."

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The Rada voted earlier in 2013 at over 90% support of EU integration.

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In the face of 90% Rada support, the EU broke off dialogue.

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That's objectively untrue.

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It’s not, but I’m sure you’ll give a novel out of your arse why it is.

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The Rada voted earlier in 2013 at over 90% support of EU integration.

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Which doesn’t make my statement of fact untrue. He ponied up to Russia instead of the EU. This pissed off the globalist. The the U.S. CIA assisted the Maiden Revolution. The Maiden revolution was dominated by Nazis from the Azov Battalion.

Western Ukraine= pro EU
EasternUkraine/Donbas = pro Russia

Learn to read.this isn’t hard to understand once you realize Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations since its founding In 1991.

My point is we had no business getting involved, especially assisting In overthrowing A gov by aiding known Nazis.

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We gave them the tools and they blew it.

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That is not quite fair.
Zelensky was/is nothing but a patsy in a high-end poker game.

Z was at the negotiating table trying to end this atrocity 3 years ago. We scuttled those negotiations knowing full well the termination of talks would leave Ukraine in a poorer position down the road, as it has of course. Though his attributions for the observation may be off, Diego Ricardo gets it right when he says, The United States of America does not have allies, only interests ... we're establishing a character in global politics that dictates that you should never deal with us.

To bring that home, in the lead up to war, the West audaciously overthrew a democratically-elected head-of-state, destabilized a European nation, lied to Russia about veracity and goals of the subsequent Minsk Agreements, accelerated bellicose Ukraine-to-NATO dialogue, until Russia finally said enough is enough. Russia's respondent Ukrainian invasion caught team-NATO off guard.

But they quickly transitioned from offering Zelensky safe-harbor in exile after being stunned at the scale and furocity of Russia's initial attack, to elation at the initial Ukrainian resistance. The West regathered itself, immediately saw the potential in forcing Russia into a protracted stalemate bloodbath, albeit at Ukrainian expense, and went to work.

When Zelensky sat down to negotiate an end to the war in April 2022, the UK and US were horrified their opportunity to "Press Putin" might vaporize. So they pressured a very inexperienced Zelinsky to shutdown peace talks. He obliged. The West got their protracted bloodbath with nary a drop of their own blood spent.

Incredibly, about half the posters in this thread see no problem whatsoever with our approach. The OP is obviously an abject lie. Meanwhile, supposed "freedom lovers" and self-described small-government conservatives here think a Ukrainian Executive-Legislative difference in trade negotiation fully justified us backing a coup d'état to unconstitutionally overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected Chief Executive. The irony is astounding.

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I think all three parties share quite a lot of blame for this stupid war.

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Certainly, but objectively Russia is the aggressor. We are the antagonists.

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Yes The United States of America is completely innocent and has never done anything to destabilize former satellite countries (via agencies and proxies) to increase their reliance and partnership with the USA. Alexander Hamilton/ Henry Clay/ Abraham Lincoln would be proud of you and you continue to spread the message of peace and unity of the USA, Patriot LARancher1991.

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How about those skeletons you dumb frick

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But, yall are frickun crazy if you don't think Putin started this shite.

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too complicated to say he started it. But he is the current aggressor.

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I think he's pretty clear that he wants to stop the war, he just wants security guarantees

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Thats the "noble" reason. The real reason, he wants guarantees he will not be prosecuted for theft of billions, and war crimes for the slaughter of his own people to enrich himself.

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Safe to assume USAID was involved in that coup?

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About as sure as victoria nuland handing out cookies

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Didn't know NATO troops were in Ukraine and started an invasion

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You think the west would trust ukranians to run our bio labs, silly boy.

If you really don’t think Zelensky has a bad approval rating, then you’re an idiot.

Also, Zelensky is propped up by the West, minus Trump’s US now. But, the dude has declared martial law and the Ukrainian military kidnaps people off the streets.

Zelensky isn’t overthrown because Europe is propping him up and the US isn’t staging a coup against him because Trump wants a democratic election.