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re: Peter Navarro Warns Wall Street Globalists: “Stand Down” Or Else…
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:24 am to Boatshoes
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:24 am to Boatshoes
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It will also teach you that Keynes was a demi-God and Hayek and Von Mises were idiots
I'm not sure where you went to school, but this wasn't what I learned.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
Basic economics and jingoism do not always work well together.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:25 am to I B Freeman
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You people are nuts and your ideas about what is right and wrong for America is very twisted.
"Conservatives" have basically become fans of more government intervention in the economy.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:26 am to bmy
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Hurr durr nationalism good
Damn straight it is. What comes first in your house, the welfare of your own family or the welfare of your neighbor's families? I hope you make the connection.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:33 am to AggieHank86
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Basic economics and jingoism do not always work well together.
I'm not sure nationalism is pure jingoism though. True nationalists would want troops removed from protecting other nations I would believe.
We're all nationalists, at least to some degree. The degree is the only difference.
Our best interest is free trade with other nations. It's not in our best interest to offer protections to certain industries.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:38 am to Boatshoes
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It will also teach you that Keynes was a demi-God and Hayek and Von Mises were idiots.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
If is not in our best interest to get screwed up the arse by China forever either
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:01 am to More&Les
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but I am amazed at how quickly domestic manufacturing has bounced back
I'd suggest you take a sober look at the data and re-assess this. Here's a start:
total manufacturing employment:
iron & steel mill employment:
aluminum production employment:
total nonfarm employment, for context on just how "amazed" you should be by this manufacturing bounceback:
eta: updated to ensure graphs stay visible
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
Can y’all please have more patience than an infant to allow this trade skirmish to play out? In the end we will have more “free trade” with China that we hav ever had.
What I find ironic is how hard and fast out Eeropean and Eastern trade partners fight for trade protections and it’s okay that they implement protections but bad that we try to persevere a little manufacturering base. You know, a nation ca’t survive just on services alone. We need to make stuff too.
What I find ironic is how hard and fast out Eeropean and Eastern trade partners fight for trade protections and it’s okay that they implement protections but bad that we try to persevere a little manufacturering base. You know, a nation ca’t survive just on services alone. We need to make stuff too.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:05 am to gthog61
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If is not in our best interest to get screwed up the arse by China forever either
reminder: trade deficit still growing, including the quarter ending in september, which was the largest in a decade
same story with us/china. on pace for biggest deficit ever. q3 was largest q3 deficit ever
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:06 am to GumboPot
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Can y’all please have more patience than an infant to allow this trade skirmish to play out?
can you please call out the ridiculous claims of this having played out in our favor already?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:12 am to GumboPot
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In the end we will have more “free trade” with China that we hav ever had.
You have far more faith in this process than I do. To me, this is just political stuff, not economically sound stuff.
Which is usually the case with populist politics.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I am amazed at how quickly domestic manufacturing has bounced back.
It hasn't.
Protected industries have, but the tariffs haven't improved prospects for anyone else.
Nothing "protected" about my industry and my industry says you don't know wtf you're talking about
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Protected industries have, but the tariffs haven't improved prospects for anyone else.
In other words, they worked and should be expanded.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:13 am to I B Freeman
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Here I am a “main street” manufacturer
Main Street in Shanghai or Hong Kong?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:20 am to Volkosoby
Importance of Manufacturing in the U.S. Economy
Trends
Reasons for Decline
Outlook
Trump's Impact on Manufacturing
Patience and reciprocity on the last sentence.
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Manufacturing is an essential component of gross domestic product. In 2016, it was $2.25 trillion. That drove 11.7 percent of U.S. economic output. Manufactured goods comprise half of U.S. exports.
Manufacturing adds a lot of value to the power of the U.S. economy. Every dollar spent in manufacturing adds $1.89 in business growth in other supporting sectors. These include retailing, transportation, and business services.
The United States has 12.5 million manufacturing jobs. That employs 8.5 percent of the workforce. These jobs pay 12 percent more than all others. In 2015, they earned an average of $82,023 per worker. This includes benefits. That's $26.50 per hour. Yet, more than 600,000 jobs are still waiting for workers with the right skills.
Trends
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Manufacturing used to be a larger component of the U.S. economy. In 1970, it was 24.3 percent of GDP, much larger than it is today.
America's edge as the world's leading manufacturer has also slipped. In 1985, it produced 28 percent of the world's goods. That's because the industry has only grown 1.1 percent a year since then. That's much slower than the 2.3 percent average growth rate of the economy as a whole.
It's also slower than our major trading partners are. China grew 9.8 percent; India, 5.1 percent; Germany, 3.6 percent; the United Kingdom, 2.8 percent; Canada, 2.7 percent; and Japan, 1.9 percent.
Reasons for Decline
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The biggest reason is a shift to a service-based economy. Banking and other financial services began growing after 1999, when Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Act.
Outlook
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Manufacturing is forecast to increase faster than the general economy. According to the MAPI Foundation, production will grow 2.8 percent from 2018 - 2021. It will be boosted by President Trump's tax plan and a declining dollar.
But portions of the sector could suffer from Trump's trade war. It also depends on the strength of the U.S. dollar. If it weakens, that's good for exporters. But the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates. That's making the dollar stronger.
Underlying these short-term developments are five new forces that are driving manufacturing's growth. First is increased productivity.
Second is the growing domestic production of domestic natural gas and shale oil.
The third reason is rising wages in emerging markets.
Fourth, companies realize the need to protect homegrown intellectual property.
Last, and probably least, is the awareness among consumers that "Made in America" means jobs for Americans.
Trump's Impact on Manufacturing
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President Donald Trump promises to bring jobs back to manufacturing. He delivered on his promised tax cut for U.S. manufacturers and higher tariffs for those who build overseas. He must make these incentives equal to the additional cost of U.S. manufacturing. Otherwise, it won't be enough to bring back jobs. Trump's job creation plan aims to create 25 million jobs in the next 10 years.
The National Association of Manufacturers applauds Trump's plan to reduce taxes and regulations. It also supports his strategy to upgrade the quality of infrastructure. But it would prefer he create more free trade agreements.
Patience and reciprocity on the last sentence.
LINK
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:46 am to Volkosoby
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arms such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (Tom Donohue), has structurally opposed Main Street economic policy in order to inflate profits and hold power – “The Big Club”. This manipulative intent is really the epicenter of the corruption within the DC swamp.
Maxine Waters concurs, she's made phat money off of Wall Street/Banksters
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Every economics class will teach you the same basic things, and that is this protectionist policy is bad economics.
Can't refute protectionism is bad economic policy but here's the caveat. The US Corporatocracy has made trillion dollar trade deals with other countries that practice protectionism, it gave our trading partners unfair advantages and it greatly diminished our industrial/manufacturing base. Trump's doing what he can to level the trade barriers but he's meeting strong resistance from the folks (Globalists) whose gravy train is potentially getting derailed. Finally we have a POTUS that's not having any more of it.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:10 am to GumboPot
Uhh the National Association of Manufacturers are one of the largest critics of Trumps trade war
Sorry to burst your bubble
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Over the last year, manufacturers have delivered for our communities and our people, raising wages, building new plants and creating new jobs thanks to game-changing tax and regulatory reform. But more U.S. tariffs and Chinese retaliation risk undoing that progress and moving our economy in the wrong direction. “With every day that passes without progress on a rules-based, bilateral trade agreement with China, the potential grows for manufacturers and manufacturing workers to get hurt. No one wins in a trade war, and manufacturing workers are hopeful the administration’s approach will quickly yield results. Now is the time for talks—not just tariffs—and manufacturers have laid out a blueprint to reset the U.S.-China commercial relationship that will result in ending China’s unfair and anti-competitive behavior."
Sorry to burst your bubble
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 10:15 am
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