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re: People voted "against Trump"...Prove it

Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:19 pm to
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:19 pm to
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2020 had more actual voters than any other time in US history for a Presidential election year
Who told you that? Do you believe that the ballots that were scanned repeatedly constitute a portion of those "most votes evar"?
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9783 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:21 pm to
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That doesn't mean they voted though, does it?


As you were told… 2020 had a larger pool of voters. You disputed that. But nice attempt at a deflection.

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I get that you haven't caught on to this but


I get that you have no clue what you’re talking about. I’m sure you’re trolling but if you are serious I really feel bad for you.

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The point of the thread was to ask people to substantiate the belief that the "anti-Trump" vote added up to 81 mil.


Yeah that’s just not true. You wanted to know if people voted against Trump. Which has been proven many times over. It’s comical.

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Buckeye is citing exit polls but hasn't actually provided any polls despite being asked for them, not that they would prove anything anyway.


Buckeye has cited a poll addressing your intended topic but you’ve had to shift the goalposts and it still hasn’t worked out for you.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:21 pm to
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Who told you that? Do you believe that the ballots that were scanned repeatedly constitute a portion of those "most votes evar"?

Please don't ask leading questions if you want a response.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:21 pm to
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I don’t know, retard. How about you read the post you were responding to because I listed them.
So, no answer. Ok. Just let me know when you want to discuss it

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You’re a massive loser.
Says the person who admitted it can't be proven
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:22 pm to
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Another
Continuing to cite polls is not proving anything. See my questions to Buckeye
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:23 pm to
I'm sure your citizen investigators excel at proving shite.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:26 pm to
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How the frick can we prove it then?
I answered this question to Buckeye

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You're holding our hands behind our backs and then asking us to wave.
So you can't prove the point then? Maybe people should stop making the stupid statement, huh?

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So now you're expecting us to photograph people who are ticking ballots at home?
I'm not expecting anything. I'm not the person making the idiotic claim. But when I see people making the stupid claim, I'm just asking how they think it means anything in relation to 81 mil votes.
Posted by Cobbvol
Member since Jun 2020
246 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:27 pm to
Here is a Cobbvol family poll result fresh off the press:

100% of the Cobbvol family thinks trump should pull out of the race to focus on his legal issues and to keep a democrat from being in the WH for 4 more years and then support either DeSantis or Haley.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50497 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:31 pm to
Just popping in to say that a portion of Biden's 81 million votes in 2020 were votes against Trump rather than votes for Biden
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:40 pm to
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Any reason why you blithely believe Morning Consult?


I don't. I look at data from multiple sources. That's one of them, perhaps the easiest to digest, and the least likely to destroy your thread. I thought it might be the best chance to avoid scaring you off and encourage you to start looking at some data.

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Did you personally collect the responses?


Nope, but I don't have enough information to justify completely ignoring this data point. Do you? If you believe the number is 0%, please provide proof.

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Any reason why you think this is actually representative of anything? IOW, did they survey every single voter or did they pick and choose who to tell you about? Were there any other parts to the question that were asked not represented in the results, i.e. context?


I've looked at the raw data and the methodology, and I'm satisfied that it's sufficient to make my point.

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Just admit you have no idea and let's get it over with. People say "they voted against Trump" and they have no idea.


This has never been the case, and will never be the case. When I make a point, I have absolute confidence that I'm correct because I've already done the research and can support my assertions with data and reason.

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FTR, I totally believe there were people who voted against Trump and couldn't have cared less who was on the other side of the ballot. I want to know how people who make the statement think it serves as any sort of refutation that Trump could have lost because the other side counted ballots illegally. "Oh but SO MANY people hate Trump."   Geniuses


It's generally given in response to Muh 81 Million Zillion Votes.

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And BTW, doesn't this graphic prove the stupidity of the people who oppose Trump?


Well, yes.

Do you think they're going to be more intelligent next November?
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9571 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:48 pm to
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Maybe look at polling data or talk to people that aren't in your bubble. He is the most despised politician of the modern era.


Yeah lets look at bellwether counties.

How many did Trump win? Biden?

Has any incumbent gained votes in a re-election bid and lost? Nope.

Trump gained in popularity, even in the bluest of blue counties. He did better in 2020 than 2016. NOT JUST IN GROSS VOTE TOTAL, BUT PERCENTAGE.

So he got more popular in NYC, Portland, LA, etc and people "voted against him" lol ok.

Did you know "candidate enthusiasm" was measured until 2020 election. Why? Why was it measured before, but not now?
It used to matter, then poof, it doesnt.

The voted against Trump horseshite is for the low intelligence individual that is easy to manipulate. Like a vaccine taker.

Trump 100% won.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:48 pm to
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Morning Consult


By the way, if you don't like the data from Morning Consult, you're really not going to like some of the others. Edison Research might make your head explode.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30034 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Spot on!!! It’s impossible to argue hoards of people voted against Trump when he brought 13 million NEW voters to the Republican Party.


Whether you meant it or not your posts reads like sarcasm. Both you (assuming not sarcasm) and the OP are misconstruing the concept that people voted against Trump. Trump is one of the most polarizing figures in 21st-century US national politics. People either love him or hate him and there are very few people that are ambivalent towards him as a person. Those high-attendance rallies and the boat and car parades are part of the reasons that people got off their arse and voted for someone that they normally wouldn't have. It is very much like a lot of people voted against Hillary in 2016.

I don't know how anyone can be so oblivious to the visceral hate a large part of the population has regarding Trump. Hell, it is a big part of the draw for people that love him. One of the things his fans like is he constantly sticks needles in the eyes of those who oppose him.


In 2016 he needed that edge to win, well played. In 2020 that edge is what sunk him, if he wins the nomination and loses again that edge will be the sword that makes the slice.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:10 pm to
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I don't know how anyone can be so oblivious to the visceral hate a large part of the population has regarding Trump. Hell, it is a big part of the draw for people that love him. One of the things his fans like is he constantly sticks needles in the eyes of those who oppose him.

They'll claim in the same post that he's vilified by the media, yet refuse to acknowledge the visceral hate many have for the guy. If the media is vilifying the guy, surely they must have the audience for it.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4606 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:14 pm to
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Both you (assuming not sarcasm) and the OP are misconstruing the concept that people voted against The Uniparty. The Uniparty is one of the most polarizing figures in 21st-century US national politics.


Its not just about Trump either.

And voting against the Uniparty is not allowed, or so it seems...

More people are waking up, and the system designed to keep the game going is falling apart.

The system's champion is now elderly, senile, Joe Biden.
The emperor has no clothes.

Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8169 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:15 pm to
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They said he praised Nazis while Joe sends billions of our money to literal Nazis.


So true. Yet Lou Pai and his ilk are demented with TDS and will vote Literal Nazi's over PDJT in 2024. That is sad, bro.

I would undoubtably vote for Ron if he was the nominee. Who are the idiots?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28672 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:15 pm to
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Maybe look at polling data or talk to people that aren't in your bubble. He is the most despised politician of the modern era.



Wrong.

He's the second most despised.

Hilldawg remains the most despised. A shite ton of people voted against her.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29473 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:18 pm to
Glad I made an impression, mate!
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:21 pm to
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I would undoubtably vote for Ron if he was the nominee. Who are the idiots?


From one of the recent Trump Loyalist polls, 30% of Republicans aren't sure they'll vote Meatball if he's the nominee or will outright vote for Biden. That number drops to 12% if Trump is the nominee. Seems to indicate that Trump Loyalists are your "idiots."
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:35 pm to
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I'm sure your citizen investigators excel at proving shite.
Well they did just win a case in AZ. Can you prove something they said was false? It's sort of important.
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