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re: people on this board who have soft spot for BLM
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:04 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:04 pm to Antonio Moss
Maybe, but I don't think you can have an honest discussion on race in this country without first admitting this country was built on racism, and many stains of that racism are still present today.
We'll never get rid of racism. I think it's part of human nature, at least prejudice is.
Were there elements of racism in the BLM movement? Absolutely. Were there elements of racism in the backlash against the BLM movement? Also yes. Neither side is really willing to admit it cut both ways though.
We'll never get rid of racism. I think it's part of human nature, at least prejudice is.
Were there elements of racism in the BLM movement? Absolutely. Were there elements of racism in the backlash against the BLM movement? Also yes. Neither side is really willing to admit it cut both ways though.
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:04 pm to navy
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OK ... I'll bite.
Nothing to bite on....violence plagues the community...
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why, with everything that's going on in this world, would you concern yourself with this?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:08 pm to hawkeye007
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:17 pm to navy
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OK ... I'll bite.
Terrorized? How so?
(And, yes ... I realize that this may be a regional thing.)
i'm a white conservative redneck who hates BLM and you'd have to kidding yourself to say that blacks in the US, whether they did anything wrong or not, don't feel way more fear when being involved with the police than whites and rightfully so.
i'm not saying that the police are wrong or that blacks are wrong to feel that way. it's unfortunate that the stereotypes exist, but they do exist and most likely for a reason on both sides.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I work with a guy that's just like them. He makes over a hundred a year and starts in on the whites holding blacks down and he bets it kills whites to know that he makes that much money. It's pathetic.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:22 pm to The Spleen
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Maybe, but I don't think you can have an honest discussion on race in this country without first admitting this country was built on racism, and many stains of that racism are still present today.
I wouldn't say built on racism but that racist institutions were an integral part of the past and still have effects today. By the same token, you can't have an honest discussion on race without admitted that the failure of black progress in America in 2017 has more to do with the destruction of the black family and a culture that deproritizes education than any societal effects of racist relics.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:23 pm to hawkeye007
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i have a question do you believe that blacks are not racially profiled?
They are profiled because we have 3% of our population that commit 60% of violent crimes. It would be no different if a shaved head white guy with a swastika tattoo on his forehead was walking down the street. If I see someone with tear drop tats or swastika tats my brain automatically tells me to be on alert.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:25 pm to Antonio Moss
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I wouldn't say built on racism but that racist institutions were an integral part of the past and still have effects today. By the same token, you can't have an honest discussion on race without admitted that the failure of black progress in America in 2017 has more to do with the destruction of the black family and a culture that deproritizes education than any societal effects of racist relics.
exactly.
i take back my mean leftist comments from the other day. i'm pretty sure i was drunk and grilling on the deck at that point.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:25 pm to 3nOut
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i'm a white conservative redneck who hates BLM and you'd have to kidding yourself to say that blacks in the US, whether they did anything wrong or not, don't feel way more fear when being involved with the police than whites and rightfully so.
i'm not saying that the police are wrong or that blacks are wrong to feel that way. it's unfortunate that the stereotypes exist, but they do exist and most likely for a reason on both sides.
Feeling uncomfortable or uneasy is not the same as actually being terrorized.
Feeling terrorized is not the same as being terrorized.
I've seen terrorism in action first-hand ... thankfully, not within our borders.
Now ... "lynching" ... on the other hand ... well, that is clearly open to a wider definition range. Allegedly, one can get lynched by being a crazy person on TV and then getting fired ... basically, it's the same as being hung in a tree by the neck until dead.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:29 pm to navy
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Feeling uncomfortable or uneasy is not the same as actually being terrorized.
Feeling terrorized is not the same as being terrorized.
I've seen terrorism in action first-hand ... thankfully, not within our borders.
that's playing semantics. i purposefully did not use terrorize in my response. i'll agree Antonio Moss may have overplayed the word, but there is a real justifiable fear.
again, i hate BLM and i'm sad to say that most of the black population's problems today stem from Liberal enablement policies and some stem from the the victim mentality that came from it within themselves.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:37 pm to The Spleen
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You can, but it was mantra was started as a way to squash the BLM movement.
MAYBE. For me, saying Black Lives Matter is saying that other lives do not. I think it would be more effective if they said ALL LIVES MATTER, meaning that not just white lives matter, but Black Lives Matter, too.
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The BLM movement wasn't an attempt to elevate black lives over white, Hispanic, or any other race. It was started to raise awareness to some challenges some blacks in this country face, particularly when it comes to law enforcement, and affect change in that.
I understand that, but you have to admit, that saying BLM does insinuate that they are elevated. Then when someone comes along and says All Lives Matter and they are called racist...see the optics of it?
This guy should have been BLM's spokesperson
The problem is white people are being forced (or tried to be forced) to admit to white privilege and apologize for being white. While the two are totally unrelated, whites are beginning to feel like we are under assault, and the resulting backlash is what you get. not ideal for anybody.
All of that said, it's a shame anybody felt it necessary that there was a need for the BLM movement....and understand why some people felt that need. I just think it was handled poorly.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:39 pm to 3nOut
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that's playing semantics. i purposefully did not use terrorize in my response.
That's the only reason that I asked the person who did use that word.
I was just curious what he (or she) actually meant.
I don't see people being actually terrorized daily where I live.
If it is happening elsewhere within our borders ... I'd be curious to know about it.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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I wouldn't say built on racism but that racist institutions were an integral part of the past and still have effects today.
Black citizens, as a whole, have only been viewed as full members of American society for just over 50 years now. For 200 years they had little no rights. Little chance for upward mobility, little opportunity to accumulate generational wealth. Whether it was slavery, Jim Crow laws, redlining in housing policy, they were locked out of the American Dream. Meanwhile, they were fine to use as soldiers in the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam. They were fine to build a lot of the beautiful antebellum homes in the South. They were fine to use to build roads. But locked out of attaining the American Dream.
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you can't have an honest discussion on race without admitted that the failure of black progress in America in 2017 has more to do with the destruction of the black family and a culture that deproritizes education than any societal effects of racist relics.
While I agree the black population needs to take some ownership for some challenges they face, I'd also argue a fair amount of blame can be placed on the remnants of the prior 200 years of subjugation. The lack of generational wealth is a huge one.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:46 pm to Antonio Moss
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Maybe, but I don't think you can have an honest discussion on race in this country without first admitting this country was built on racism, and many stains of that racism are still present today.
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I wouldn't say built on racism but that racist institutions were an integral part of the past and still have effects today.
It might be overstating the point, but there is a point there, from the standpoint of slavery. While things might have progressed without slavery it would have been much slower. The economy of the south largely did depend upon slave labor, so he makes a legitimate [point.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:51 pm to The Spleen
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The BLM movement wasn't an attempt to elevate black lives over white, Hispanic, or any other race. It was started to raise awareness to some challenges some blacks in this country face, particularly when it comes to law enforcement, and affect change in that.
Do you REALLY believe that's why it was started and what their goal is?
I call bullshite. These same assholes are calling fro reparations. Are reparations about raised awareness? Or are they about using white guilt to grab some cash?
A black man was elected president not due to the black vote, but due to a large percentage of non-black votes. That ended the argument about "
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Unfortunately, this country isn't ready to reconcile with its racist past, nor its inherent racism still present today".
You know who won't move on and reconcile with their inherent racism? Black folks. Deny it and you are either an idiot or a liar.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:52 pm to Antonio Moss
Amen to that, Blame game is the top rated game in America.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I admit to being a bit confused.
Are you asking one of the people who are banned? How do you expect them to answer?
Are you asking one of the people who are banned? How do you expect them to answer?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:53 pm to The Spleen
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I'd also argue a fair amount of blame can be placed on the remnants of the prior 200 years of subjugation. The lack of generational wealth is a huge one.
Let's put a number on it.
I'd say honestly the fault for the lack of black progress is as follows:
51% - the lack of black nuclear families/out of wedlock births
20% - the remnants of institutional racism as you point out in your post
20% - Culture that deprioritizes education
9% - other factors
Your point about generational wealth is correct but I believe the effects are overstated. I'm willing to bet the majority of white people in this country had little to no generational wealth one generation ago. Generational wealth is a huge deal but, effectively, only exists for a small percentage of Americans regardless of race.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:55 pm to Pfft
Where would it have been better for them during the "200 years of subjugation" ...also, where would it be better now?
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