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re: People Basically Approving of the Murder of the United Healthcare CEO
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Will never happen.
So whats the solution?
People must die.
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The health care sector has a massive (and I mean massive) problem with over billing and outright fraudulent claims
I posted this on another thread, but this is what 3rd party pay creates.
When entity A provides a service
Entity B receives it
And entity C pays for it
You are guaranteed a constant game of Spy Vs. Spy in which entities A and C try to constantly screw each other.
And that's what we've got.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Denied claims are not in and of themselves a bad thing
That’s not what UHC was doing.
They weren’t even reading the claims they were denying.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If someone shot and killed the NHS secretary in the UK or the Canadian health secretary because their dying loved one is on a waiting list for specialist care, would you have sympathy for the health secretary?
Absolutely not.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:15 pm to wackatimesthree
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posted this on another thread, but this is what 3rd party pay creates.
When entity A provides a service
Entity B receives it
And entity C pays for it
You are guaranteed a constant game of Spy Vs. Spy in which entities A and C try to constantly screw each other.
And that's what we've got.
It's called a "circle jerk" and the customer/patient is the pivot man.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Question for those of you who don’t feel sympathy for the murdered father and husband:
Bit of a false premise to ask the follow up but I will bite...
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someone shot and killed the NHS secretary in the UK or the Canadian health secretary because their dying loved one is on a waiting list for specialist care, would you have sympathy for the health secretary?
I would probably note that the death is tragic and horrible for the spouse and children, and they likely didn't deserve all of the blame as they are a figurehead of a bigger item. Personally I do feel sympathy for the kids who don't have a father or a wife that lost a husband. They don't deserve this.
I would also say that if a critical mass of people lose loved ones from the neglect, corruption, and greed of the offending administrators, some people are not afraid to mete out their own justice sometimes, however horrible (and illegal).
If you wanted to go this route, have some not also cheered extrajudicial vigilante justice when it suits them, on this very site?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:17 pm to Hogbit
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People must die.
So, you really have no clue, youre just lashing out and blaming some CEO who you clearly dont know, and clearly dont understand the role of a CEO.
Again, would you rather have a government takeover of health care? This isnt hard. You can do it.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Again, would you rather have a government takeover of health care? This isnt hard. You can do it.
Are you illiterate or obtuse? I want gov and insurance companies out of healthcare, completely out. All medical decisions/transactions will be made through the customer/patient.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:31 pm to Hogbit
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I want gov and insurance companies out of healthcare,
That will never happen, you've been told this. You know this.
Now, what is your actual solution? We both know what it will be.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That will never happen, you've been told this. You know this.
Now, what is your actual solution? We both know what it will be.
You may have single payer as your second option, but I don't. It will either rock on broken like it is now, or we can take the painful steps to fix it. If we choose to fix it, like most things in modern American society, it will be violent.
Buckle up buttercup.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:43 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If you wanted to go this route, have some not also cheered extrajudicial vigilante justice when it suits them, on this very site?
I’ve been posting on PB for more than a decade and have never seen calls for extrajudicial killings
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:44 pm to Hogbit
The system isn’t broken. People are.
The vast majority of medical expenses are because people choose to be unhealthy.
It’s been a while but I recall 75% is due to preventable diseases.
Think about that.
The vast majority of medical expenses are because people choose to be unhealthy.
It’s been a while but I recall 75% is due to preventable diseases.
Think about that.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:45 pm to Taxing Authority
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I has nothing to do with how "hard" they work. It has do iwth demanding other people's labor.
What are you even talking about here?
Do you think corporate greed doesn't exist? That the working man doesn't get fricked over by the shady dealings of big corporations?
Because I got fired over some bullshite by a big corporation today. Right before Christmas.
So I'm salty as frick. They dangle raises that never come. They bean count without having any clue of the situation on the ground. They are slimy, chickenshit sleazeballs.
frick em
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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been posting on PB for more than a decade and have never seen calls for extrajudicial killings
Were you around when Rittenhouse happened?
ETA: There's many other examples I can use, but let's start there.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:51 pm to Hogbit
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or we can take the painful steps to fix it.
Thats a start.
Still doesnt explain how that fixes anything.
How is it fixed? What are the details? Youre uber angry at the status quo, so you must have alternatives in mind.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:53 pm to roadGator
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The system isn’t broken. People are.
The vast majority of medical expenses are because people choose to be unhealthy.
It’s been a while but I recall 75% is due to preventable diseases.
Think about that.
I know people don't make healthy decisions, but you need to flush out your headgear. Unhealthy habits do not drive the cost of your hospital stay through the roof. Gov/ins meddling in healthcare does that.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How is it fixed? What are the details? Youre uber angry at the status quo, so you must have alternatives in mind.
If I knew a painless way to fix this, I would be your president. Best I can tell, there isn't one.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:04 pm to Hogbit
They cause you to be hospitalized so yes, they do drive the cost of care.
They cause you to need expensive drugs etc.
I’m not sure I understand your postulation.
They cause you to need expensive drugs etc.
I’m not sure I understand your postulation.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:06 pm to Hogbit
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If I knew a painless way to fix this, I would be your president.
Then why the angst about people acting in their own self interest while providing a service, like we all do?
BTW: The current system came about in WWII, when the US govt froze wages for years, prompting companies to try to offer something of value to their employees.
Basically govt has a crony relationship with a few companies and its basically not much better than a monopoly. Competition will lower health care costs and improve services.
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Government and a handful of insurance companies have a virtual monopoly as payers. Because of this, they make most of the decisions about what kinds of healthcare are available.
Government regulates where, when, and who may open new healthcare facilities.
Government agencies greatly slow development of and access to new medicines, devices, and technologies that may improve quality of care and reduce cost of care.
Currently, the healthcare industry is virtually monopolized by the government and a handful of insurance companies. They hold the checkbook and wield it for their own benefit.
This is a Libertarian take on it.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Denied claims are not in and of themselves a bad thing
The health care sector has a massive (and I mean massive) problem with over billing and outright fraudulent claims
I find it interesting that the same people who think insurance companies shouldn’t scrutinize claims are the same people who complain about high monthly premiums.
It’s widely understood that auto insurance premiums go up every year because of corrupt PI attorneys and chiropractors gaming the system with bs “medical injures” from fender benders
Yet people don’t want to admit it happens in health care too
This is not what people are referring to. I suggest you read up on the practices of UHC. They have been accused of using AI to deny despite the known flaw that produced incredibly high error rates.
JFC nobody is saying insurance companies shouldn’t go after fraud but I would think we are all intelligent enough to segment discussion about denying claims from fraud versus legitimate claims. There is a difference between scrutinizing claims and having a SOP of denying hoping people don’t have the knowledge or resources to fight.
Hell I can give you two bullshite examples from personal experience. Wife fell, damaged her knee and insurance company denied the MRI. Had to fight. Torn meniscus as diagnosed but took 6 months to get it approved.
Since you brought up accident insurance. We had a hail storm in 2022. Roof damage. Their adjuster said new roof. Next door neighbor immediately got a new roof with the same insurance company.
We were denied. Said our roof was too old. We provided aerial photos from 3rd party showing change in roof from when they said our roof was originally done and a written statement from the contractor who replaced roof several years ago. Denied again due to age. Only would pay actual cash value. Had to tell them next communication would be with my attorney. We are got the final check today-over 2 years from filing claim.
So frick insurance companies. They are well known to deny legitimate claims.
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