re: Pentagon blames Afghan army in closed House briefing: 'You can't buy willpower'

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Do you even remotely know how stupid you sound?

Just stop.

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Here is a waterdown version of the problem:
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Not the soldiers fault, just a systematic problem out of the Pentagon. The Army had a chance to use actual trainers (USAR 100th Division), instead they created piecemeal ETTs. Now we are seeing the results.

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You have absolutely no clue how the training of the ANA was conducted. Your post proves it.

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I know first hand. I saw it at the National Guard Level and I was at of FORSCOM and reviewed the makeup of the teams. I saw the problems early.

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Wonderful. The training began in 2003. You are disparaging the service of National Guard members and calling the rationale for their deployment into question when you have tremendously limited understanding of the overall force generation policy.

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I was at FORSCOM at that time. It is not the fault of the individual soldiers, it was an issue at NGB and the Pentagon. Early they tried to match MOS to team functions, but even those got fricked up. Many soldiers have multiple MOSs and some were sent over to train something they haven't experienced in 20 years. Later they just assigned people regardless of MOS. I knew many on an Agriculture Assistance Team that didn't know the difference between a weed and a cornstalk. Same issues across the board. This was a mission that should have been taught by the SOF (security) or other training units. There are AARs out there that back what I am saying, so keep trying to discredit it.

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This was a mission that should have been taught by the SOF (security) or other training units.

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CJSOTF-A in 2003 so...

ETA: Yeah, if you cannot figure it out, that is Task Force Phoenix, 3rd SFGA. Not NGB. Not FORSCOM. An actual deployment.

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Like I said read the AARs...

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Good for you.

I actually did it.

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Good for you.

I actually did it.

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I have watched a bunch of DOD apologist the last 8 hours on the Network News throwing out the same BS you keep posting. Many of them were main contributors (leaders) to the 20 years of futility that cost this country thousands of lives. In the end they want to blame the Afghans for this failure for not having a will to fight, but they will never admit it was a failure of policy and execution on our part. Again a 240K Security Force. Hell, we could have secured the country while we brought 100K Afghans to the US and spent a year training to make them an elite fight force, instead of the OJT by less than qualified trainers that happened. Could have saved a lot of money, lives and future problems also.

Reading after action reviews. Watching television.

Quality stuff.

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Yeah the afghan leadership that they sheltered, paid off, provided arms, tanks, supplies, troops for; must have pinky swear promised them they wouldn't do this. They weren't outnumbered and they cut bait and ran.

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I can’t blame them when we pulled out in the middle of the night without telling them and leaving them no way to supply their stations. They were going to give in eventually anyway but we didn’t even give them the chance.

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Reading after action reviews. Watching television.

Quality stuff.

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Translation: I don't know how to respond to your post.

Again, answer what I posted. The AARs are an overview of the entire operation. You want to address your world and your part in it. I understand that is how people respond at certain levels, but as you should know in your military education, failures are usually a result in a chain of events. Unfortunately these events took place over 20 years and were repeated multiple times. Training our allies to be self-sufficient has not been something we have excelled at since WWII. Some feel that is by design, but in recent cases it was done because of the DOD bureaucracy.

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Are you going to blame it on the Afghan People and their lack of desire to live free of tyranny or was there a breakdown in our training system ?

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This is so fantastically wrong it makes me wonder if you’ve ever been in the country. For 99.99% of fighting age males there’s no such thing as being “Afghanistan”. They belong to tribes, not a country, and they wore the uniform to get a paycheck. Hell yes I’m going to blame it on the “Afghan people”, specifically those with a dick. Who trained the people kicking their arse right now? Are they winning because of their superior training or because they give a shite about their goal?