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re: Paul Manafort pleads guilty in Mueller probe

Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:39 pm to
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If the president knowingly accepted something of value from the Russians, such as harmful information about his opponent, that could be an illegal contribution by foreign nationals.




Wikipedia - 1996 United States campaign finance controversy
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125556 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:41 pm to
Way different.

The Chinese are like-minded fellow travelers in the pursuit of freedom and capitalism.

Russians are scary.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126272 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:42 pm to
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Russians are scary.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:42 pm to
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So the information in the dossier was a campaign contribution.


Yeah it was so valuable that it wasn't released before the election.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:44 pm to
Their was one report about "Chinese hacking" reported by a shitty right wing blog using anonymous sources (I thought we weren't supposed to believe those! )

Dumbass trump ran with it, and then the FBI shot holes in it, and nothing has been followed up on since

But I digress.. The news of the day is
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135706 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:44 pm to
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Spock's Eyebrow
Wait!

Trump said, IN A PUBLIC PRESS CONFERENCE, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," and you think he was seriously colluding?
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Why do I have to get involved with Putin? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me. He doesn't respect our President. And if it is Russia -- which it's probably not, nobody knows who it is -- but if it is Russia, it's really bad for a different reason, because it shows how little respect they have for our country, when they would hack into a major party and get everything. But it would be interesting to see -- I will tell you this -- Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125556 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:46 pm to
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Yeah it was so valuable that it wasn't released before the election


So the Hillary campaign did not talk about Trump’s connection to Russia? I mean, you’re dumb. But I doubt even you are that dumb.
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:46 pm to
I am curious what everyone thinks as why Manafort chose now to cooperate? What changed?

Obviously this trial coming up was going to be expensive, but as part of his deal he is forfeiting a lot of assets. So this doesn't make sense. Was there something else about to drop? Or do you think he just finally woke up to spending the rest of life in prison?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126272 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:47 pm to
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Yeah it was so valuable that it wasn't released before the election.
None of it?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126272 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:47 pm to
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Or do you think he just finally woke up to spending the rest of life in prison?
Fourteen days can feel like a lifetime baw. Ask Pap.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:48 pm to
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So the Hillary campaign did not talk about Trump’s connection to Russia? I mean, you’re dumb. But I doubt even you are that dumb.


Do you know when the Dossier was created? When/if it made it to the Clinton campaign?

So, the Hillary campaign didn't talk about a Russia/Trump connection before the dossier was even created?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133663 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:49 pm to
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I am curious what everyone thinks as why Manafort chose now to cooperate? What changed?
He's broke. His plea deal also got the charges dropped on the 10 counts on which the jury couldn't deliver a verdict.

The unlimited power and resources of the federal government destroyed his life.

Mueller did the same with Richard Jewell and Steve Hatfield before they were exonerated of any crimes and other suspects were found guilty.

Doesn't that just warm your heart.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 2:51 pm
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:50 pm to
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Their was one report about "Chinese hacking" reported by a shitty right wing blog using anonymous sources (I thought we weren't supposed to believe those! )

Dumbass trump ran with it, and then the FBI shot holes in it, and nothing has been followed up on since

But I digress.. The news of the day is


Nonsense You have as much proof that the Russians hacked anything as we do that the Chinese did. Actually less, because the Chinese are KNOWN hackers. Multiple sources that have been proven correct on other aspects of this case have said there is evidence that the Chinese hacked into Hillarys email server..

BUT more importantly, on the day that Trump made his dumb joke about missing emails (and lets be honest every single one of you idiots know it was just a dumb joke) the fricking server was on ice already, it could NOT have been hacked by the Chinese, or the Russians, or the Martians, so there is absolutely, positively NO frickING way the Russians could have seen Trump that day and said "da we hack server for comrade Trump"

It's simply stupid to refuse to acknowledge that fact at this point.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11528 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:50 pm to
Good question.

He may have thought that he could avoid conviction at trial or at worst secure a pardon. After he got convicted for 8 counts, though, and he saw what was in store for the D.C. trial and 10 remaining hung counts from EDVA I think he saw that the deal from Mueller as being the better option.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:50 pm to
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I am curious what everyone thinks as why Manafort chose now to cooperate? What changed?
Got bad news about his pardon
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126272 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:50 pm to
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tigerinDC09
You are one feisty dude

Keep at it baw. You almost have him now
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Their was one report about "Chinese hacking" reported by a shitty right wing blog using anonymous sources (I thought we weren't supposed to believe those! )

Dumbass trump ran with it, and then the FBI shot holes in it, and nothing has been followed up on since


Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41011 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Do you know when the Dossier was created? When/if it made it to the Clinton campaign? 

Elias retained Fusion GPS in April 2016. The work was compiled between June 2016 and December 2016.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125556 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:53 pm to
Where did they get the information on Trump’s Russian connections?

If you included “Ukraine” in your answer, you will receive partial credit.

And if oppo research is a “thing of value,” is an endorsement also a “thing of value?” The amazing thing is that such a stilted definition of thing of value has been allowed to exist in your mind as normal and natural.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57163 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:53 pm to
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I work with real (former) federal prosecutors. Their take is usually about 180 degrees different than here.


You learning through osmosis? What do you do with former prosecutors? Rumor has it there is a former prosecutor on here that. thinks you are full of shite.
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