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re: Parents of kids 5 - 11
Posted on 11/6/21 at 8:44 am to Flats
Posted on 11/6/21 at 8:44 am to Flats
It isn't. From the book Gene and Cell Therapy:
quote:
[1]: (a) it contains an active substance, which
includes or consists of a recombinant nucleic
acid used in or administered to human beings
with a view to regulating, repairing, replacing,
adding, or deleting a genetic sequence; (b) its
therapeutic, prophylactic, or diagnostic effect
relates directly to the recombinant nucleic acid
sequence it contains or to the product of the
genetic expression of this sequence. Gene therapy
medicinal products do not include vaccines
against infectious diseases. For the US Food and
Drug Administration (FDA), gene therapy is the
administration of genetic material to modify or
manipulate the expression of a gene product or to
alter the biological properties of living cells for
therapeutic use
quote:
[1]: (a) it contains an active substance, which
includes or consists of a recombinant nucleic
acid used in or administered to human beings
with a view to regulating, repairing, replacing,
adding, or deleting a genetic sequence; (b) its
therapeutic, prophylactic, or diagnostic effect
relates directly to the recombinant nucleic acid
sequence it contains or to the product of the
genetic expression of this sequence. Gene therapy
medicinal products do not include vaccines
against infectious diseases. For the US Food and
Drug Administration (FDA), gene therapy is the
administration of genetic material to modify or
manipulate the expression of a gene product or to
alter the biological properties of living cells for
therapeutic use
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Posted on 11/6/21 at 8:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
My 19 year old decided to take it to retain his full scholarship in college...
He was told he would lose his scholarship unless vaccinated? If you don't mind disclosing, what college was this?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 8:49 am to Tigers0918
quote:
Do you give your kids any vaccines?
Would you go to a hospital/doctor of you were sick?
Seems hypocritical to trust medical science, just sometimes when it doesn't directly affect you.
How many kids have died with covid since the start of this shite?
How many kids have been hospitalized?
How many kids exist in the USA?
Compare the numbers then get back to me.
Trust medical science my arse.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:04 am to Jake88
quote:
It isn't. From the book Gene and Cell Therapy:
The FDA disagrees, and your quote describes exactly what an mRNA virus does. They can say “well, but not if we also call it a vaccine”, but it just means they’re contradicting themselves. It sounds a lot like Obamacare and the definition of “tax” to me.
Bottom line is that by their own functional definition an mRNA treatment is gene therapy. If they wanted to define gene therapy as ONLY treatments that alter the genetic code they could have, but they didn’t.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:12 am to Flats
My ex and I agree on literally nothing when it comes to co-parenting our kid. So much so that we rarely speak to each other. But on this we can agree. That needle is going nowhere near our child.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:30 am to CaptSpaulding
quote:
It is, actually. The problem is, you’re trying to apply horse paste logic to a vaccine.
Did I mention horse paste?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:34 am to crossfire
quote:
This is my question, if you give your kid this experimental vaccine
Stopped reading there. Frick giving my kids that poison. Our family has had the WuWheeze twice and it was akin to a head cold for the kids who are 5, 13 & 14 years old. Actually one was not symptomatic at all .
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:56 am to idsrdum
quote:
He was told he would lose his scholarship unless vaccinated? If you don't mind disclosing, what college was this?
The vaccine requirement was for being able to keep his room and board portion of his scholarship. Because he'd made a 32 on his ACT, he received that in addition of his academic scholarship. In terms of value, it actually added up to more than the academic portion of his costs. They were making the vaccine a requirement to live in the dorm, though not for the entire student body as far as I know...though it may have been as well.
Sure, ULL.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 9:57 am to GeauxTigerTM
let kids play outside and get some sunlight. Will do more good than the "vax"...
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:14 am to Flats
From the FDA website...no mRNA is mentioned. Note that it is to treat or cure existing disease, not prevent disease like vaccines do. Clearly this is about things like cancer and chronic disease. The part about manipulating a cells properties is from the impact of gene alteration of that cell. That is not what these vaccines do. They do not alter your DNA.
quote:
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:
Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene
Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease
Gene therapy products are being studied to treat diseases including cancer, genetic diseases, and infectious diseases.
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Plasmid DNA: Circular DNA molecules can be genetically engineered to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
Bacterial vectors: Bacteria can be modified to prevent them from causing infectious disease and then used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human tissues.
Human gene editing technology: The goals of gene editing are to disrupt harmful genes or to repair mutated genes.
Patient-derived cellular gene therapy products: Cells are removed from the patient, genetically modified (often using a viral vector) and then returned to the patient.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:23 am to Jake88
quote:
They do not alter your DNA.
You can continue to beat the pure hell out of that straw man but it has nothing to do with what I posted from the FDA website.
“ or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use”
Does an mRNA treatment alter the biological properties of a living cell?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:25 am to Flats
quote:You are looking at that with no context. The bolded part of my copy and paste from the FDA website clears that up in 2 ways.
“ or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use”
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:36 am to Jake88
quote:
You are looking at that with no context. The bolded part of my copy and paste from the FDA website clears that up in 2 ways.
It actually hammers it home.
quote:
Human gene therapy seeks to modify or manipulate the expression of a gene or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use
Everything in that list describes the first part of that definition. Yet they purposefully made the definition broader to include things that aren’t accurately described as modifying or manipulating the expression of a gene. We agree: an mRNA treatment does not modify or alter the expression of a gene. Does an mRNA treatment alter the biological properties of a living cell? Yes or no would be nice.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:41 am to Flats
quote:You are focusing on this and leaving out the FDA's context that gene therapy treats existing disease. As noted the alteration of the bio properties of the cell are the result of an alteration of the cell's DNA. Again from the FDA...
. Does an mRNA treatment alter the biological properties of a living cell? Yes or no would be nice
quote:As we agree, the mRNA vaccines don't do that.
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:41 am to crossfire
This is from the actual Pfizer presentation to the FDA advisory committee on 10/26. Basically the study in this age group is too small to know for sure about complications but we will study it after it’s approved. Later on it says that if you vaccinate a million kids, then over a 120 day period you will decrease hospitalizations by 170. Crazy.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:46 am to Jake88
quote:
You are focusing
You are focusing on refusing to answer a simple question. Maybe you’ll circle back to it.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:46 am to Jake88
quote:
It is not gene therapy. It does not affect your genes. Don't get it, that's fine, but spreading ignorance isn't.
It sure as hell isnt a vaccine either. I have never heard of someone who was vaccinated against polio, measles, or mumps getting it.
Instead of all the focus on "vaccines", we should have developed effective treatments. These new pills that Big Pharma is about to release are probably noting more than ivermectin with a couple of things added to it so they can push that instead of a generic drug that cost $1 a dose.
Its all about power and MONEY.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:49 am to Revelator
quote:
He is a single parent and had only one son who he raised by himself since birth. The son was 18-19 and the dad convinced him to get the vaccine. The son died from heart problems shortly after.
My oldest grandson is married, has two kids, took the shot several months ago..result: trip to the ER, stay in the hospital, and still feels the effects today. And yes, he was perfectly healthy, played sports in high school, etc.etc. Be careful people.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:51 am to Flats
It cannot be answered without you acknowledging the context. The means of the alteration is key. You won't acknowledge that.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 10:52 am to Tigers0918
quote:No doubt they drive automobiles too. And stuff little Braxtyn carelessly with sugar.
Do you give your kids any vaccines?
Would you go to a hospital/doctor of you were sick?
Seems hypocritical to trust medical science, just sometimes when it doesn't directly affect you.
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