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re: Our Presidents latest tweet on the Ominous Bill
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:08 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:08 pm to OMLandshark
Whoa. How sadly pathetic and childish you are.
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:20 pm to Seldom Seen
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I say to Congress: I will NEVER sign another bill like this again.
yeah right
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:30 pm to vodkacop
quote:Yet your response maybe less childish, but it's likely much more pathetic in its basis.
Whoa. How sadly pathetic and childish you are.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:37 pm to buckeye_vol
Bbonds wins the hack award so far.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:39 pm to Tigerdev
Is no one going to bring up Clinton v. City of New York?
The line item veto is unconstitutional and would need an amendment to be legal.
Congress cannot give him a line item veto and he either knows that or has shitty lawyers.
The line item veto is unconstitutional and would need an amendment to be legal.
Congress cannot give him a line item veto and he either knows that or has shitty lawyers.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:49 pm to Tigerlaff
quote:Or he just says what he thinks his base, or just people, will believe, or hopes they do, whether he knows or not.
Congress cannot give him a line item veto and he either knows that or has shitty lawyers.
I mean he has a property that commemorates a Civil War battle that never happened, a D when historians told him this, he asked them how they could know since they weren't there.
Reality is not a necessity here.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:39 am to bencoleman
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Who actually directs the spending and makes the decisions about when and where the money is spent? If I'm not mistaken it's the treasury department. President Trump got his military funded and some say he plans to use the corps of engineers to build the wall. Whether that's so or not the bill that passed was not a budget. It was a spending bill. This is not earth shattering.
let's follow this line of thinking a bit...
Congress passes bill with $X to this and $Y to that
POTUS signs it
You think POTUS can just say it's going to be $Z to this and $W to that, on a whim, without Congressional input or approval, despite what the Constitution says.
This is patently false. It would be immediately challenged in the courts and Trump would lose. Another name for this type of behavior is called tyranny.
Now, if the bills just said $X to a given agency / branch / department...then yes Trump could exercise discretion for things within the Executive Branch. But dollars in this bill appear to be pinpointed - I haven't seen any exceptions to this yet.
If any of you cult members can put forth a cogent argument I'm willing to listen and change my mind. But so far, all I see is "OMG you normies are so dumb, how dare you doubt Trump". So, put together a real argument and let it stand on its merits.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:55 am to starsandstripes
quote:Well not only does Trump not have the power to direct the appropriated spending, he's arguing that it falls within the treasury department. So the treasury secretary is 2nd mister powerful position, in the world.
You think POTUS can just say it's going to be $Z to this and $W to that, on a whim, without Congressional input or approval, despite what the Constitution says.
This is patently false. It would be immediately challenged in the courts and Trump would lose. Another name for this type of behavior is called tyranny.
Edit: He clearly got his information from that false chain email, but he even misinterpreted the false information in it.
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 12:59 am
Posted on 3/24/18 at 10:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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Who actually directs the spending and makes the decisions about when and where the money is spent?
The people with the power of the purse who just created the 2018 Omnibus APPROPRIATIONS Act?
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If I'm not mistaken it's the treasury department.
So you think the treasury is just given money and has full authority to do what wants with it?
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President Trump got his military funded
How can you know this if the treasury decides where sns how it’s spent?
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It was a spending bill. This is not earth shattering.
And spending was specifically appropriated to specific departments, projects, etc. The treasury can't decide to spend it elsewhere
So you don't know. Got it. Why did it take a wall of text to say it?
It's looking like the corps of engineers is planning to start construction on the wall as early as the first week of May.
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 3/24/18 at 10:15 pm to Seldom Seen
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. I say to Congress: I will NEVER sign another bill like this again.
We'll see right before mid terms.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:14 am to buckeye_vol
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Well not only does Trump not have the power to direct the appropriated spending, he's arguing that it falls within the treasury department. So the treasury secretary is 2nd mister powerful position, in the world.
Edit: He clearly got his information from that false chain email, but he even misinterpreted the false information in it
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
LINK
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:22 am to Tigerlaff
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Is no one going to bring up Clinton v. City of New York?
The line item veto is unconstitutional and would need an amendment to be legal.
Congress cannot give him a line item veto and he either knows that or has shitty lawyers.
I was going through this thread wondering why no one was mentioning this. At first glance it does appear to be a dumb thing for Trump to ask for, however looking into this further, in 2006 the Bush administration asked Congress to create line item veto legislation, but structured differently to get around the constitutional problems of the 1996 law (because it wasn't actually a line-item veto, it was just a way to make it easier for Congress to fine-tune legislation to suit the President's wishes). The House came up with something and passed it, but it never got by the Senate. So I think someone told Trump that Congress could get him a line-item veto (based on the 2006 idea), so that's what he's shooting for now.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 5:35 am
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:36 am to buckeye_vol
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Well not only does Trump not have the power to direct the appropriated spending
Wrong again.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:28 am to bencoleman
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This is another time that people underestimate Trump. Hell come out on top again. He handed them the rope and they tied the knot in it and put it over their own head.
This seems highly unlikely.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:06 pm to Little Trump
quote:... says the bot who's posting reply's to himself.
Democrats got the bots out in force spinning this for scummy lyin’ democrats
(hint: you might need to work on your algorithm)
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:11 pm to Pinecone Repair
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This seems highly unlikely
He just did.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 1:17 pm to bencoleman
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Wrong again.
He cannot appropriate the spending outside of the things they were appropriated to and for. Obviously some things are more general than others, and he can try to find a way to argue that a project falls under the more general appropriations. But he can't do that with no justification, and some tweet isn't evidence of that especially and his minions like you have been begging for that all weekend. He gave you red meat; you you just don't see how pathetic it is.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 1:18 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 3/25/18 at 3:46 pm to buckeye_vol
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He cannot appropriate the spending outside of the things they were appropriated to and for
You can't stop stepping on your dick can you. You are wrong.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:26 pm to bencoleman
quote:No I'm not. You're basing this on some stupid chain email that was patently false, and then you were trying to use some emergency funding mechanisms, that are limited in scope and purpose to back up the absurd claims.
You can't stop stepping on your dick can you. You are wrong.
Here is primer for you about the difference between a budget and appropriations (Omnibus is an Appropriations Bill):
WHY APPROPRIATIONS ARE NOT A BUDGET
And here are tweets from one of the biggest Constitutional supporters in the house, who happens to have a law degree from UM, addressing the same ridiculous claims you're making.
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