re: Our government has gone so off-track, I pause and listen to what the Russians have to say

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We are indeed the bad guys

That does not mean Russians are white hats; but we started this war, we are escalating it and it is all for power and money


What action did we take that forced Russia to roll tanks into Ukraine lob missiles killing women and children, and artillery strike entire cities to rubble?

I assume we nuked them or something, but I may have missed it in the news

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You clearly missed quite a bit because you looked for it in the "news".

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So the best you can come up with a reason to invade and kill people is mean tweets? I mean frick, you think we offended them so much with our mean words and not electing a more friendly candidate our president that we forced them to kill a frickload of people? The pipeline btw. 6 months AFTER they invaded so a bit hard to use that as a reason for war. Lol, this reasoning is like the dude who beats his wife because he gets yelled at by customers during work.

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So the best you can come up with a reason to invade and kill people is mean tweets? I mean frick, you think we offended them so much with our mean words and not electing a more friendly candidate our president that we forced them to kill a frickload of people?

The pipeline btw. 6 months AFTER they invaded so a bit hard to use that as a reason for war.

Lol, this reasoning is like the dude who beats his wife because he gets yelled at by customers during work.


Do you know anything about Operation AERODYNAMIC, or the Orange Color Revolution, or the Maidan Coup, or the 8 years+ bombing of the Donbas region, or the Minsk Agreements, or our commitment to not push east with NATO/weapons, or anything pertinent to the history of the region, or the "Russian Boogeyman" BS...

Do you know ANYTHING at all?

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It's not in US interests to have Russia (or anyone else for that matter) invading anyone they don't like, or gets mad at because of mean tweets. There days of empire building are over and need to stay in the past, as they just lead to massive conflicts where everyone suffers.

Wars in Europe in particular tend to spiral badly. Our economy is dependent on trade with Europe, so it's in our best interests to nip this in the bud before he starts doing this shite elsewhere that might require a more direct response.

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This idea that we can just keep pouring money into Ukraine (which allegedly comes back to US military industrial complex) feels like the cold war idea that we can just out-spend Russia over time and bankrupt them. This is a New Cold War. I hope it doesn't become a Hot War. And this repeated saying "we must fight it with money and logistics so we don't have to go to war" is my definition of a cold war. And a proxy war. We are now at war by proxy with Russia, and it didn't have to happen. And it is escalating further.

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Arrest stats suggest

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Please post these stats. Thanks in advance.

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Do you know anything about Operation AERODYNAMIC, or the Orange Color Revolution, or the Maidan Coup, or the 8 years+ bombing of the Donbas region, or the Minsk Agreements, or our commitment to not push east with NATO/weapons, or anything pertinent to the history of the region, or the "Russian Boogeyman" BS...

Do you know ANYTHING at all?

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The commitment to not expand NATO had been disproven many times over. The rest are all internal Ukrainian issues.

At best if the intent was to protect people from shelling in donetsk and luhansk then they should have gone to thed security council to get peacekeepers stationed on the DMZ. That accord was violated multiple times over by both sides. Hell the separatists literally captured a city during it.

None of this is justification for driving an army into Kyiv though. He absolutely wanted to capture the entire country and incorporate it back into Russia.

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This idea that we can just keep pouring money into Ukraine (which allegedly comes back to US military industrial complex) feels like the cold war idea that we can just out-spend Russia over time and bankrupt them. This is a New Cold War. I hope it doesn't become a Hot War. And this repeated saying "we must fight it with money and logistics so we don't have to go to war" is my definition of a cold war. And a proxy war. We are now at war by proxy with Russia, and it didn't have to happen. And it is escalating further.

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I am fairly certain it was happening regardless. These only thing we controlled was whether we'd watch them get blown up or lend them a hand.

Putin has made no secrets about him wanting to restore the Soviet empire and has been slowly reinvigorating Russian speaking areas by force.

Usually they run the same playbook. They invite Russian speakers to rebel, when the country tries to stop them Russia comes in guns blazing to save them from being oppressed. Transniestra, South Ossetia, Abkhazian, all the same playbook. After a brief stint propping up Syria, they were finally able to free up enough of the army to "save" Ukrainians.

Given that we have 3 choices
1) Do nothing and keep watching countries fall until be dies something stupid and attacks one that has a solid defensive treaty.

2) engage in proxy warfare (which we've chosen to do)

3) boots on the ground.

In the case of Ukraine I also think we're a little obligated due to the Budapest memorandum.

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Putin has made no secrets about him wanting to restore the Soviet empire and has been slowly reinvigorating Russian speaking areas by force.

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Putin does not want to restore "Soviet" anything. He wants Russia to be restored as a Russian nation with Christian principles and values, as it was before the Soviet Union.

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What action did we take that forced Russia to roll tanks into Ukraine lob missiles killing women and children, and artillery strike entire cities to rubble?

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We gave them an opportunity to do it when we elected a spineless imbecile to office in 2020.

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but we started this war

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And you probably don't even know who Victoria Nulen is. Maybe you should before spouting off a bunch of horse-sh..
She cultivated the Orange Revolution. Here's one of her gems:

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So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, frick the EU.

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Victoria Nulen getting involved in Ukraine Politics

Since this revolution and overthrow of Yanukovych in 2014, I've seen various numbers but a collective estimation of 10000 Soviets/Russians murdered in the eastern provinces of the Ukraine. So stop being a friggin moron. Watch the two documentaries by Oliver Stone "Ukraine on Fire" just to get a clue. They are free on Rumble. You won't because you're stuck on stupid.

Ukraine on Fire 1
Revealing Ukraine