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re: Oregon Passes Nation's First Bicycle Tax

Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Wow. A tax on bicycles?





Yep. You can't expect politicians to do with less money. Im actually surprised they are only just now coming up with this idea. I guess the percentage of the population who commutes via bicycle has grown to a point that politicians view it as a new stream of revenue.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9271 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:52 pm to
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the vast majority of cyclists also own vehicles


this is true-but tax the bikes to help pay for the infrastructure they will use...and in places like parts of Portland where its considered the most "cyclist" friendly in the country, there are likely a larger amount of people who get around with out a car. So, you get to tax those who are getting out of contributing to the infrastructure they drive on.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83553 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:56 pm to
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-but tax the bikes to help pay for the infrastructure they will use...


like roads...?

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and in places like parts of Portland where its considered the most "cyclist" friendly in the country, there are likely a larger amount of people who get around with out a car.


90% still own cars



Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:58 pm to
I pay taxes for my two vehicles. Why would a bike rider be any different?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:06 pm to
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Wait until they start taxing Prius' and other fuel efficient electric hybrids because they aren't paying enough gas tax. You know it's coming... Gas tax revenue will decrease as cars get more fuel efficient
Well yeah, fuel taxes are supposed to be a rough proxy for road use, so that more road use equates to more taxes paid to build and maintain them. They are more efficient to administer than toll roads everywhere, so they make a lot of sense ASSUMING all vehicles use roughly the same amount of fuel.

When the assumption is no longer true, you have to make adjustments. Why would anyone have a problem with this? Why is it seen as a money grab, rather than the solution to a real problem?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83553 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:08 pm to
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I pay taxes for my two vehicles. Why would a bike rider be any different?


do you pay an excise tax on your vehicle?
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9271 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:09 pm to
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like roads...?
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LOL, more like the actual painted, separated bike trails and paths that are on those roads....you know, the paths that are marked SOLELY for bikes in cities that are bike friendly, you know, the parts of ASSphalt that cars cannot drive on.

Still takes money to build and maintain that infrastructure that is use ONLY for bikes. I don't have a bike so i don't give a crap. Maybe you do and are bitter about it. But i don't like bikes holding up traffic because they have to be on the same road as me...I have to veer into oncoming traffic to avoid them. It's stupid. Tax the idiots that want to pedal a bike around dump trucks to build them a safer place to ride. I don't want to pay for it...they should.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:13 pm to
If you don't like it, move.

I have no problem with states doing whatever they want to raise revenue, so long as it's constitutional.

If the hippies don't like living in a revenue draining burdensome shithole, they'll move. More likely, they'll bitch to their hippie friends and continue leeching from the ever-shrinking pool of givers.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83553 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:15 pm to
I'm just not a fan of more taxes. The vast majority of people using those bike lanes, also use the regular roads and pay taxes for those roads.

Just because you don't use a public service doesn't mean others that do should be taxed more for it.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:21 pm to
So is your problem just with the implementation of the tax?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83553 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:21 pm to
Yes, I generally oppose more taxes.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:34 pm to
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I'm just not a fan of more taxes.
It's not necessarily "more taxes" just because it's a new tax. Why not just look at fuel taxes (or bike taxes) as "transportation infrastructure taxes"?
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The vast majority of people using those bike lanes, also use the regular roads and pay taxes for those roads.
But if they're using their motor vehicles less, they're burning less fuel and paying less in taxes for using the roads. Granted, they're putting less wear and tear on the roads by riding bikes, but they still need to be built in the first place.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134845 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:36 pm to
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Democratic Gov. Kate Brown is expected to sign the sweeping $5.3 billion transportation package, which includes a $15 excise tax on the sale of bicycles costing more than $200 with a wheel diameter of at least 26 inches.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19018 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:40 pm to
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If you don't like it, move


I don't live there. I just saw the story and thought it was fascinating. The hippies had no problem with a new gas tax but when the state democrats came up with a new way to make money by taxing Oregons large cycling community they started crying
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24740 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:19 pm to
Oregon has 2 kinds of people. The people who ride bikes, and the people that hate the people who ride bikes.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:20 pm to
I just wanted to step in to point out that targeted/earmarked taxes are easily one of the dumbest things populations have been suckered in to thinking are good.

There is literally no logical reason that can be put forward for why they make sense.
Posted by tagatose
South Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
2008 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:39 pm to
Oregonians will just buy their bicycles out of state.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24740 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:20 pm to
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Oregonians will just buy their bicycles out of state.


No, they won't. Every state close enough to go to has a sales tax. Oregon doesn't. People will continue to come to Oregon to buy stuff. Including bicycles.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:24 pm to
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Bikers cheered last year when Portland passed a four-year, 10-cent-per-gallon tax on gasoline aimed at improving roads,


The government just licks their chops at idiots like this.


Never celebrate taxes on anyone!
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