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Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86071 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:41 pm to
I don't really care about what Trump did, but from Twitter.

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SPECIAL COUNSEL: How do we prove he knew they were classified?

FBI: He admits knowing they were classified on this taped conversation

SPECIAL COUNSEL: But how can we prove that he didn’t declassify them before he left office?

FBI: You’re not gonna believe this
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128022 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:45 pm to
I don’t care either and think this is all absurd but objectively that is hilarious
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:46 pm to
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If it does not have a evidence supporting a good faith belief in the statements, then Jack Smith will be in serious trouble; he will lose his position as Special Prosecutor and possibly face disciplinary action. It is hard to imagine him moving forward with falsified allegations.


Are you naive, stupid, or a Democrat? Lots of crossover between those three, but just curious.
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
4563 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:07 pm to
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Btw what did Jared and Ivanka get that $2 billion for from the Saudis?



Its not difficult to look up unlike 'The Big Guy' Business you dirty dems hypocrite on daily


Affinity Partners

"Kushner's firm received commitments of more than $3 billion by the end of 2021 to invest in American and Israeli companies that are expanding in India, Africa, the Middle East and other parts of Asia. Investors include $2 billion from the Saudi public investment fund, with Kushner stating that he hopes to open an "investment corridor between Saudi Arabia and Israel",[1][2] seen internationally as a "sign of warming ties between two historic rivals".[3]

"The fund has invested in two undisclosed Israeli hi-tech companies.[8][2] The Wall Street Journal reported that "it is the first known instance that the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s cash will be directed to Israel, a sign of the kingdom’s increasing willingness to do business with the country."

In March 2022 Affinity executives heard pitches from 13 to 15 Israeli startups.[9]"

There was even a Dem led House committee that investigated any wrong doing on Kushner part and whaddya know.... NOTHING



Now your turn - The Big Guy Investment company - lets hear it




Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
4238 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:15 pm to
so what about all of those documents that Biden had hidden in his garage, he was the vice President when he took them. that's illegal right there. he can't take anything. but I guess it's ok because he is a democrat and we all know the laws are different for them
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128022 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:17 pm to
You’re 100% right but irrelevant legally as to Trump’s “case”
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57076 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:50 pm to
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;


Is there some case law that states this means the PRA doesn’t extend to documents concerning national defense? That section can be applied pretty broadly. Like “welfare of the United States”. Do you have more authority than just the text of the Section?
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 1:54 pm to
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GumboPot


Whatever it was has been pulled down.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57950 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Even declassified, he doesn't get to take military plans and nuclear secrets home as a parting gift to himself


A President can declassify anything. Period. The authority for any federal employee to classify/declassify flows directly from the Office of the President. As such, no one in the federal government has the authority to override a President's classification/declassification other than a succeeding President.

There used to be two classifications for Unclassified data: Unclassified-limited and Unclassified-unlimited. We can all agree on what the definition for the latter is, but the former would be things like Social Security numbers (as an example). Technology is often one of those things which falls under the "limited" category.

The difference between limited and unlimited is, basically, a level of authorization.

All such authorization, at least under the Executive Branch, flows from the Office of the President. As such, a President could indeed authorize the declassification and authorization of releasing any (or all) military plans and/or nuclear secrets.

If you disagree, please link proof of anything different backing your stance. If you can't find anything to support your beliefs then perhaps you should re-think them.

Did Trump declassify and deauthorize any of the information he had at Mar-a-Lago? I don't know (and neither do you). The bigger issue isn't if Trump did/didn't, but that others who didn't have that authority have taken and kept Classified (and higher) documents at their homes but none have faced anything close to what we've seen with the DOJ going after Trump.

If you don't see that as the major problem, you aren't looking closely enough.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24575 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:15 pm to
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Very convenient of them to all of a sudden say Trump is in violation of USC 793 when this all could have been avoided when Archives packed the boxes and sent them down to MAL. Setup?


How could it legitimately be anything but?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46175 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:20 pm to
He doesn’t have to be. It’s his assertion that he declassified everything and the burden of proof is on prosecutors to prove he didn’t. Which they cant.
Posted by NEPAtism Central
Member since Oct 2021
31 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 4:40 pm to
Talking about Trump and his "crimes." All you people are taking about how Trump can't wave his hand and say documents are declassified. I guess he should have been Vice President and have been the "Big Guy." Obviously what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. Be consistent. Trump is a horrible human being. Would I vote for him again? You're damn right. At least he likes America. Biden and his ilk is all about their income.
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
12575 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 1:20 am to
True
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18788 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 3:07 am to
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Might wanna double check on the statutes regulating declassification of nuclear information.

You could have posted them to prove your point.


I think this is a rehash of the "he took the nuclear codes with him". You know the codes that change everyday he has a code that has been changed 793 times since then, but hey the Germans and Pearl Harbor and all.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18788 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 3:20 am to
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He had 2 documents containing nuke info about US and an ally.


Wanna bet?



I heard it was far more than two. But the document was actually an old CD cover with some song about 99 red balloons go by. Seriously that sounds like something they would indict him for knowing the real news will only appear four years from now just like muh russia.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18788 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 3:26 am to
Whoa, whoa whoa, Fun Bunch, here is where it comes off the rails......

and that has been interpreted to include classification,

Uh pray tell who has interpreted what and why must it be interpreted? The president's powers are simple and clear, once you start "interpreting" that might be where you were misguided just a wee bit.
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