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re: OMG interview of Vivek Ramaswamy (Ghost was wrong about Vivek)
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:00 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:00 pm to GRTiger
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I think it comes down to people not ok with the idea of a successful private sector entrepreneur getting into politics. Which is a perfectly reasonable opinion to have and one I don't agree with.
This is the opposite of what the Republican primary is like.
Every Presidential primary, we have at least one “business leader” that we think can be an effective President because they ran Compaq or Kentucky Fried Chicken.
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:04 pm to the808bass
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President because they ran Compaq or Kentucky Fried Chicken.
To be fair, John Y Brown Jr used KFC to gain the office of governor.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:04 pm to the808bass
Well because theoretically the GOP is where a successful business person gravitates to when they adjust course to politics. But every time they pop up, that person is attacked as a flip flopper or plant or ideologically impure. Many people need to see a political record to assuage their skepticism whether they want to admit it or not.
Obviously some people don't care and just want that person to lose because they support someone else, but in general I think people have sincere hesitation when looking at a political nobody. That's why they look for anything in their history that can be spun in a political way and why often they don't like what comes out of that.
Obviously some people don't care and just want that person to lose because they support someone else, but in general I think people have sincere hesitation when looking at a political nobody. That's why they look for anything in their history that can be spun in a political way and why often they don't like what comes out of that.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:05 pm to Cheese Grits
Herman Cain used Pillsbury and Godfathers
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:05 pm to GhostOfFreedom
He is a phony and God help us if he ever gets elected into any political office.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:06 pm to GRTiger
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But every time they pop up, that person is attacked as a flip flopper or plant or ideologically impure.
No, they’re not.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:07 pm to the808bass
I miss Godfathers back in the day. Best pizza in the early days and had big yellow 1950's Cadillac hearse out front.
Good times, pretty sure that would not be PC now.
Good times, pretty sure that would not be PC now.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:10 pm to HubbaBubba
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Obama wears the crown and it would take a huge catfishing of unbelievable proportions to snatch that off his head by any future candidate, including smiley-faced Vivek.
I would pay admission to watch Vivek debate Obama, Biden, Shumer, and Schiff all at the same time. Throw in McConnell and Pelosi as well.
They would all be exposed as frauds/traitors.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:10 pm to Cheese Grits
I had Godfather's last night. Still slaps.
Poor old Herman got the more insidious political strategy deployed on him since he had some political history.
Poor old Herman got the more insidious political strategy deployed on him since he had some political history.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:11 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:We think you should go frick yourself.
frick yourself for referring yourself in 3rd person.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:13 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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but Vivek is a serious candidate
He is an empty vessel into which people pour in their own opinions/positions. His speeches and policies are dictated by his audience at the time.
He is Obama 2.0
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:20 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Dude wants a death tax north of 59%. Basically all in on the 3rd tenet of the communist manifesto
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:22 pm to GRTiger
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That's why they look for anything in their history that can be spun in a political way
You mean like the person’s own statements about political topics?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:30 pm to Flats
Yes that would be something people take and run with in any direction they want.
The 59% estate tax referenced just now is a good example.
The 59% estate tax referenced just now is a good example.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:42 pm to GRTiger
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Yes that would be something people take and run with in any direction they want. The 59% estate tax referenced just now is a good example.
So we should ignore that stuff and only listen to what he says once he started running? Seriously? I don’t think quoting someone is running in a direction, it’s just informing people about what he’s said. And if a person says enough things that are at odds with each other, I think it’s pretty normal to question their credibility. You don’t agree? You think it has to be because he’s not a politician, and you’ll just assign that motive to people regardless of the reasons they’ve given?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:57 pm to Flats
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So we should ignore that stuff and only listen to what he says once he started running? Seriously?
That's not what I'm saying, though many things can certainly be written off as obvious political tactics like the Soros connection.
In general I'd say you should do the opposite of ignore it. Reading a talking point or headline and running with it as unmitigated truth is something way more akin to ignoring it than developing a fully vetted opinion on something is.
I don't think the estate tax should be 59%. If I just read what the Desantis campaign says, that would be the end of my support. But when you find out that the context of that part of the book was a complete overhaul of the tax system that would eliminate income taxes and replace that money with estate taxes, it makes a lot more sense. Not in the sense that he should or would push for such an extreme reformation of taxes, but in the sense that it would be an alternative that would reset the playing field a bit for each generation and give the non estate tax paying generations an opportunity to build their wealth without the boot of income taxes on their necks.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:06 pm to GRTiger
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Yes that would be something people take and run with in any direction they want. The 59% estate tax referenced just now is a good example.
Candidates always look better when you make them say whatever you want them to say.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:16 pm to the808bass
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Candidates always look better when you make them say whatever you want them to say.
Candidates can also look worse when you make them say whatever you want them to say. Are you so dug in that you can't see the other side of that concept?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:36 pm to GRTiger
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I think it comes down to people not ok with the idea of a successful private sector entrepreneur getting into politics.
That's not what i'm talking about. Specifically his companies he started creating a Covid database trying to get federal funds. I want him to explain it. No one has really questioned him, specifically on it. I don't care if he's an entrepreneur, that is not my concern. My concern is that he was trying to build wealth off the same mechanism that Pfizer got billions from fed gov.
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A 24 year old looking to climb the ladder isn't going to filter opportunities through the lens of political purity, especially when the extent to which the name Soros being anywhere near someone wouldn't become a political deal breaker until years after he got the scholarship.
As i understand it, Vivek already made millions prior to being selected for the scholarship. The weird thing was him trying to hide the fact he received a Soros scholarship, and why it was given to someone who clearly had no fiscal need for it.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:42 pm to GRTiger
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GRTiger
Actually, YOU are the one that brought up Vivek's shady dealings. Did you forget?
LINK
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A biotech research company is not profitable for years and then COVID happens and its value goes up, attracting institutional investors in successful pursuit of making its shareholders money.
Then the CEO, who decides to run for president, steps down and liquidates a large portion of his shares at a great profit to fund the campaign.
This is evidence that Vivek is an inside man and cannot be trusted when he speaks on the need to reign in institutional investors like Blackrock and Vanguard (who invested in his company), or the need to end the department of education (a union pension fund was also invested in his campaign, likely through a mutual fund or basket of tech investments.)
The guy in the video concludes his monologue about the suspicious nature of investments with the reminder that he is no a financial analyst.
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