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re: Ok “Libtards”. This looks like a decent plan to me. Problems?

Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:36 pm to
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:36 pm to
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it’s not quite tax reform, but I see little to no real issues.


That's because it's not tax reform. It leaves in place the premise of unequal taxation, and accepts the platform of the Left. Of course you wpuld like it.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:36 pm to
No issues here.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:37 pm to
Yeah, I didn’t even realize there would be a grandfather clause on the $500k threshold.

So it will have zero effect on me or my immediate family here in CA.

Sucks for the RE market out here though. Real Estate Correction on its way.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:37 pm to
The drop in corporate tax rate is going to be a huge boon to the economy, as well the offer to repatriate profits. Combined with deregulation efforts and the us looks like a much more attractive place to do business
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:38 pm to
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I understand. But I read a few knee-jerk reactions based solely on the source of this reform. I just want honest Left’s opinions.

Is this a big deal? Doesn’t seem like anything bad or anything to fight like a stupid-arse wall or repeal-shite. It is ‘sound’.


I won't argue it is not "sound" in a lot of ways but as I stated above I will take a decent hit personally if the proposal goes through as written. But the fights will happen and they are real for some people, the loss of SALT deductions and changes to the mortgage deduction are going to hit some people really hard.

The big issue is will the change to the corporate taxes have the intended impact. The personal taxes are small potatoes compared to the corporate change and it could produce a HUGE revenue hole unless we have accelerated economic growth, which is possible but it is also possible the economy will react to something unforeseen. Again this is why I say cut spending first so you don't have to worry as much about tax revenue tanking.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 pm to
Deficits and debt don't matter anymore.

Winning.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30046 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 pm to
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Yeah, I didn’t even realize there would be a grandfather clause on the $500k threshold.

So it will have zero effect on me or my immediate family here in CA.


How will the loss of SALT deductions impact you and yours?
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 pm to
Also, good thread btw.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:39 pm to
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The drop in corporate tax rate is going to be a huge boon to the economy, as well the offer to repatriate profits. Combined with deregulation efforts and the us looks like a much more attractive place to do business


This is the key part, it makes America competitive again to corporations.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26288 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:42 pm to
What about homes over a million
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:47 pm to
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I’m just going to put this out there. I’ll acknowledge Trump has something ‘going’ (finally) for the average American citizen here. Yes we can agree/acknowledge that much smarter people than Trump, (which is true of most administrations but triply-true with trump)designed this, and true, it’s not quite tax reform, but I see little to no real issues. The dependency of GDP growth to excell to off-set deficits is an issue for another time IMHO. What say you? Please conservatives, let us caucus.
I like it.

Hopefully accompanied by some spending cuts. Still not on board with the "will pay for itself." Never really works out.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:47 pm to
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How will the loss of SALT deductions impact you and yours?


It won’t. We don’t take that deduction. That’s mostly used by high income folks who take itemized deductions.

I was concerned that they would completely kill the property tax/mortgage interest deduction.

They’ve kept it, and my parents will be under the grandfather clause.
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:47 pm to
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Question, where are most of the $500k houses located?


A large percentage of the houses in my subdivision in metro Atlanta are above that 500k. My house isn't one of them, fortunately.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:58 pm to
This is a pet peeve, but Trump campaigned against the "carried interest" loophole which allows investment managers to receive their management fee as a capital gain rather than ordinary income.

I know the tax plan is not final, but I haven't heard anything about this in quite a while.

I also know this doesn't affect many people, but there is no justification for this tax perk for hedge fund managers.

This can also apply in certain circumstances to managers of real estate ventures.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:59 pm to
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Please conservatives, let us caucus.



I'm not touching your cock
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30046 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:02 pm to
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I was concerned that they would completely kill the property tax/mortgage interest deduction.


Note that property tax is part of SALT and caps property tax deductions at 10K. But if your state income tax and property tax is low and you didn't itemize then it is likely not an issue for you.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30046 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:05 pm to
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A large percentage of the houses in my subdivision in metro Atlanta are above that 500k. My house isn't one of them, fortunately.


The value of the home is not of issue, as I am sure you know. It is the amount of the loan. New loan interest deductions will cap at 500k but loans in effect at the beginning of the tax year this proposal impacts (2018?) will be grandfathered in unto 1m.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:17 pm to
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Note that property tax is part of SALT and caps property tax deductions at 10K.


Even if the purchase price is grandfathered?

It doesn’t really matter. None of my immediate family pay more than $10k in property tax, nor will we be buying a home anytime soon.

California is protected by Prop 13, which froze property taxes at 1% of purchase or tax appraised value.

So, it cannot go above 1%. New home construction gets around this with Mello Roos fees. Which is in essence a tax for new infrastructure in new areas.

They will assess homes at a higher or lower rate, but it seems to be random. For example, I paid $235k and my house is “valued” at $485k. I’m still paying property tax on the $235k purchase price.

Theoretically I could get a letter in the mail saying that my home is now taxed based on the “value”, which at 1% is still well below the $10k threshold.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30046 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:22 pm to
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Even if the purchase price is grandfathered?


I get it doesn't impact you but just FYI re the proposal:

The valuation of the house means nothing re the tax deduction all that matters is what one pays in property tax. You will still be able to deduct property taxes under 10k but above that, you won't. This and the loss of the state income tax deduction is what kills me personally.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:27 pm to
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