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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:18 pm to
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I think that is why US and Israel were trying to get a former president to lead the coup much like Delcy in Venezuela. They wanted a coup among the elites and middle class that could be negotiated on more "bourgeois" understandings than "proletarian" ones.


The people are crying for the crown prince. And the crown prince would be an friend to the US without any desire for nukes. The people that will do the revolting are going to determine the next ruler and that have already spoken on who that will be. Anything else will be a misstep by the USA.

----- imho
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
11448 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:30 pm to
Are we or Iran about to do something?

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Major warning signals of imminent conflict are once again flashing across the Persian Gulf as AIS spoofing spikes and Iranian airspace sees reductions in commercial traffic.

AIS spoofing activity is once again surging across the Persian Gulf, particularly northwest of Dubai.

These patterns have repeatedly appeared before kinetic escalations across the region.

Over the past year, major “ghost vessel” surges in Persian Gulf tracking data have coincided with or preceded ship attacks, projectile incidents, and military operations, including the lead-up to the U.S./Israel strikes on Iran in early 2026 and incidents near the UAE.

Now the same indicators are flashing again.

Iranian airspace also appears largely cleared of commercial traffic right now, another signal that has previously emerged before major regional military activity.

Individually, neither AIS spoofing nor cleared airspace guarantees military action.

But together, manipulated maritime tracking data and increasingly empty skies have become recurring warning signals before regional escalation.

AIS spoofing is not random technical interference. It plays a strategic role in modern conflict:

Masking vessel movements
Creating confusion in maritime traffic
Obscuring operational positioning
Complicating attribution and monitoring
Increasing uncertainty before kinetic activity

The Persian Gulf has entered an era where digital anomalies often precede physical conflict.

When the tracking layers start filling with ghosts and the skies begin clearing, regional observers pay attention.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:33 pm to
Silly fools can't take sarcasm!
Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:10 am to
Month long TACOs for everyone!

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Donald Trump had a difficult conversation on Tuesday about ceasefire talks, Axios reported on Wednesday.

Trump reportedly called Netanyahu on Tuesday to inform him that mediators were working on a "letter of intent" to end the war and launch a month-long period of negotiations, which would include matters such as Iran's nuclear program and opening the Strait of Hormuz.

Two Israeli sources stated that the two leaders were in clear disagreement about how to deal with Iran moving forward. One US source briefed on the call told Axios that "Bibi's hair was on fire after the call."

Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8870 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 2:06 am to
Tousi TV reported today that there have been clashes in different cities between the IRGC and the Iranian Army. I haven't seen others reporting on this.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 2:09 am to
Some still don't understand how Trump operates. He hasn't sent all those military assets to the Middle East just for show. The sledgehammer may drop at any moment.
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 2:15 am to
From about 30 minutes ago, the commercial air traffic over Iran is still non-existent.

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Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 3:12 am to
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President Donald Trump told reporters on Wednesday that the US was in the “final stages” with Iran, sparking investor hopes that a deal was close. Treasuries surged and oil dropped.


quote:

“We’ll either have a deal or we’re going to do some things that are a little bit nasty,” he said. “But hopefully that won’t happen.”


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Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian insisted the country was not on the brink of giving in. “Forcing Iran to surrender through coercion is nothing but an illusion,” he posted on X.


Same old same,
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:40 am to
Trump's favorite Field Marshall is going to Iran for talks with the IRGC.

And you are spot on about the stalling.

From CNBC Thursday morning:

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Iran on Thursday said it is reviewing the Trump administration’s latest proposal for bringing an end to the war after the U.S. president said he was prepared to wait a few more days to “get the right answers” from Tehran.

Iran Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said the Islamic Republic had received the views of the American side “and are reviewing them,” according to the state-run agency Nour News.

Baghaei said Pakistan, which hosted peace talks between the U.S. and Iran last month, continues to mediate exchanges between Tehran and Washington, adding that several rounds of communication had taken place based on Iran’s original 14-point framework.

Pakistan’s Army Chief Asim Munir is expected to travel to Iran’s capital on Thursday as part of ongoing mediation talks between Washington and Tehran, according to Iran’s ISNA news agency.


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Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:45 am to
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That was always a pipe dream. The Kurds in Iraq finally got breathing room and don’t want any smoke. Trump recently formalized recognition of Syria’s new leader who’s made it clear the Kurds won’t be recognized by his government. Finally you have Erdogan who’s been vocally that he doesn’t want his Kurds getting any ideas from the others.

If the US planned to use Kurds as a key part of the Iranian regime change it would destabilize the political order in the region. Not to mention the last time the Kurds assisted the US it ended with the need for a UN no fly zone to keep Saddam from gassing them again.


We have promised several times in the past to help the Kurds gain autonomy only to pull the rug out from under them in the end. I'm talking many years ago, way before Trump took office.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:49 am to
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This is another aspect of this that could be messy... While I am sure there is a large portion of the younger demographic that is probably favorably disposed to a western democracy model, I not sure the degree to which Russia would exert its influence to prevent that...


Russia can get fricked. They are a paper tiger. They have their hands full with Ukraine.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:52 am to
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Iran has a social caste system, where your surname establishes your social advancement in life…


Interesting. I did not know this.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:55 am to
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The people are crying for the crown prince.


You sure about that? They threw his father out. And that revolution was not led by the mullahs. It was a people's revolution, but then the mullahs usurped it after the Shah left.
Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
6205 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:10 am to
Rueters:

Irans Supreme Leader ordered that ALL near weapons grade uranium must stay in Iran.

Posted by TakingStock
Member since Jun 2009
7584 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:26 am to
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Rueters: Irans Supreme Leader ordered that ALL near weapons grade uranium must stay in Iran.


Trump is about to move the goalposts on Monday “out of respect for the highly respected Field Marshal of Pakistan”
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96122 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:28 am to
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They threw his father out.


If by "they", you mean radical students, funded by the Soviets who were seeking to remove one of the last U.S. allies in the region and thought they could control the rabid beasts they were installing, then, "Yes, 'they' threw his father out."

Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13700 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:59 am to
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The people are crying for the crown prince. And the crown prince would be a friend to the US without any desire for nukes. The people that will do the revolting are going to determine the next ruler and that have already spoken on who that will be. Anything else will be a misstep by the USA. ----- imho


This is NAFO style fanfic
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27538 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:30 am to
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This is NAFO style fanfic


Is that despite the people flying the old Iranian flag?
Is that despite them chanting his name during protest?
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:35 am to


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Iran’s Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei has ordered that the country’s near-weapons-grade uranium not be sent abroad, Reuters reported on Thursday, citing two senior Iranian sources.

“The Supreme Leader’s directive, and the consensus within the establishment, is that the stockpile of enriched uranium should not leave the country,” one of the sources told Reuters.

The sources said Iranian officials believed sending the material abroad would make the country more vulnerable to future US or Israeli attacks.

Iran had previously signaled willingness to ship out half of its 60% enriched uranium stockpile, but that position changed after repeated threats by US President Donald Trump to strike Iran, according to the report.

One source said there were still “feasible formulas” to resolve the issue, including diluting the stockpile under International Atomic Energy Agency supervision.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:42 am to
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If by "they", you mean radical students, funded by the Soviets who were seeking to remove one of the last U.S. allies in the region and thought they could control the rabid beasts they were installing, then, "Yes, 'they' threw his father out."


That is exactly what I mean. It was not a religious movement that got the Shah expelled. But the mullahs usurped the students once the Shah was gone.

I was in engineering college at OU at the time. I had Iranian classmates. I spoke to several of them often about what was going on in their country at the time. They all hated the Shah. They held protest marches on campus.
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