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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 4/30/26 at 8:56 pm to RazorBroncs
Posted on 4/30/26 at 8:56 pm to RazorBroncs
i mean.. thats reason people were against this half-measure war. Doesnt matter how many air strikes happen.
its time to be realistic.
its been obvious since the first weekend Iran can stay alive, kept control of their people and keep global energy prices high enough to hurt Trump in America and while waiting for American voters to pressure Israel / US into another ceasefire and negotiation
That's why no President went with this operation before. if Israel really convinced us that Iran would've collapsed in the first week, their intelligence fricked up.
You cant "put down" Iran's regime or even open the Strait without boots on the ground and kill tens of thousands of regime men. On our side, Hundreds of deaths, likely thousands. And you'd need Europe for this operation. And we'd have to pull from our defenses in Southeast Asia.
None of our allies are even on board with this possibility except our Middle East friends.
as its stands, We cant even re-open the strait. Can voters hold out while gas prices go up while the full ramifications havent even hit yet ?
Are they? Looks like its just a ceasefire on, ceasefire off until we give Iran another out again because they couldnt take the out when it was available. Now its about how good of a deal Iran can get from the US this time.
its time to be realistic.
its been obvious since the first weekend Iran can stay alive, kept control of their people and keep global energy prices high enough to hurt Trump in America and while waiting for American voters to pressure Israel / US into another ceasefire and negotiation
That's why no President went with this operation before. if Israel really convinced us that Iran would've collapsed in the first week, their intelligence fricked up.
You cant "put down" Iran's regime or even open the Strait without boots on the ground and kill tens of thousands of regime men. On our side, Hundreds of deaths, likely thousands. And you'd need Europe for this operation. And we'd have to pull from our defenses in Southeast Asia.
None of our allies are even on board with this possibility except our Middle East friends.
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We need to make it completely impossible for them to exert control over international shipping lanes, and even more impossible to claim any sort of win here.
as its stands, We cant even re-open the strait. Can voters hold out while gas prices go up while the full ramifications havent even hit yet ?
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Hate on Israel/US relations all you want, but at least they're willing to end this threat once and for all.
Are they? Looks like its just a ceasefire on, ceasefire off until we give Iran another out again because they couldnt take the out when it was available. Now its about how good of a deal Iran can get from the US this time.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 8:58 pm
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:02 pm to RelicBatches86
Who’s our allies? NATO? If that’s who you’re calling our allies where the frick have you been the last 2 months. 
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:03 pm to RelicBatches86
Their economy is dead and gone. The IRGC has a civil war coming shortly.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:19 pm to Bronco11
If the Iranian people are unable/unwilling to fight their own opposition then the US; Israel and the Gulf States have come up short...ultimately, it belongs to them.
My fear is this: the head of the snake remains and it will be more fueled and fanatical than before - will wait out the DJTs and Bibis and will return with a vengeance
This nation fought a Civil War for its way of life going forward ... let the Iranians do the same
My fear is this: the head of the snake remains and it will be more fueled and fanatical than before - will wait out the DJTs and Bibis and will return with a vengeance
This nation fought a Civil War for its way of life going forward ... let the Iranians do the same
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:30 pm to hwyman108
The allies that correctly backed the hell away when they heard Israel's pitch to the US.
Assist in a blockade with no end in sight. Why would someone do that?
Iran isn't doing shite.
we're not going to invade or nuke them. what's left?
economic hardship isnt going to make the regime collapse or make the people there desperate enough to successfully revolt. not now, hasnt done it in 40 years. China and Russia are incentivized to keep this going.
feel free to quote me in 3 months, 6 months when the status quo hasnt changed.
Assist in a blockade with no end in sight. Why would someone do that?
Iran isn't doing shite.
we're not going to invade or nuke them. what's left?
economic hardship isnt going to make the regime collapse or make the people there desperate enough to successfully revolt. not now, hasnt done it in 40 years. China and Russia are incentivized to keep this going.
feel free to quote me in 3 months, 6 months when the status quo hasnt changed.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:40 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:41 pm to RelicBatches86
Doesn't Fuentes have a podcast you can watch?
Tucker always has something out
Tucker always has something out
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:44 pm to RelicBatches86
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economic hardship isnt going to make the regime collapse or make the people there desperate enough to successfully revolt. not now, hasnt done it in 40 years
But killing off the radicals in their government can absolutely foster change.
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we're not going to invade or nuke them. what's left?
Destroy their military and remove their ability to develop a Nuke. The regime would have to topple from within.
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China and Russia are incentivized to keep this going.
China is incentivized to lose their cheap oil supply? Russia has bigger problems on their end.
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feel free to quote me in 3 months, 6 months when the status quo hasnt changed.
Bookmarked.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:45 pm to RelicBatches86
These allies you think we have are compromised now. Look at Europe and tell me what you see now.
Evidently ppl like you believe or convinced yourself that you understand what needs to be the next move. I’ll trust the commanders in charge of the strategic planning and decision making. I’m pretty sure they’ve shown they’re more than qualified on surgical dismantling IRGC.
Evidently ppl like you believe or convinced yourself that you understand what needs to be the next move. I’ll trust the commanders in charge of the strategic planning and decision making. I’m pretty sure they’ve shown they’re more than qualified on surgical dismantling IRGC.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:49 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:53 pm to hawgfaninc
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I think people don't fully realise the full scope of Israel militarily aiding the UAE.
You see, this would be the first time Israel has aided an Arab country in such a way. Israel actually sent the Iron Beam to aid the UAE, which is Israel's latest tech. It's very new. That makes this all the more a very significant event.
I'm sure the UAE will not forget who militarily aided them when most others were only doing lip service.
This event will likely act as a trigger for the transformation of the UAE-Israel relationship and is expected to bring them much closer in the coming months.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:56 pm to AndyCBR
Trump is allowing the fractures between factions to widen. They are all hardliners in government. Some want to save their asses the others want to go down with the sinking nation like their religious sect dictates.
What cheap arse is worried about paying and extra $10 more to fill up at the pump. Maybe get a job and get out of your parents' home.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:09 pm to wfallstiger
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My fear is this: the head of the snake remains and it will be more fueled and fanatical than before -
Let's just accept the narrative for second.
What's more fanatical than a country that is attempting to get nukes, has proxies all over the Middle East murdering people, launches rockets willy nilly at its neighbors, and killed 10s of thousands of people just 3 months ago?
What do mean MORE fanatical than that? You see how that logic breaks down eventually? What's enough? 50,000? 200,000? 6 million?
The argument they can be more fanatical after this is probably the worst argument made against this operation.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:14 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Are you suggesting that because they could become more radical that we backoff?
What a dumbass thought if so
ETA: may have misread your post lol
What a dumbass thought if so
ETA: may have misread your post lol
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:15 pm to Tigerswillprevail
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Are you suggesting that because they could become more radical that we backoff?
I think you may have to read that again my friend.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:16 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Agree
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
More than emboldened than ever because no future American President could do what DJT is seeking to accomplish. This isn't all about Iran, dominoes flying all over the place and we know this because we are witnessing in real time
So yes, more than they are now!
So yes, more than they are now!
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:24 pm to wfallstiger
It's one thing to not believe Iran was doing these things in the first place, and now will be fanatical. I think that's wrong, but at least that logical.
But right now we have a huge group of people opposing action against Iran who agree that:
1) Iran helped kill a bunch of Israelis on 10/7
2) Agree Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapon
3) Agree Iran has used proxies across the middle east to kill people
4) Agree Iran was pursuing a ballistic missile defense deterrent to protect #2
5 Agree that Iran supplies drones to Russia to kill Ukrainians
6) Agree that Iran leads a society that treats people, especially women like shite
7) Agree that Iran killed approximately 20-40,000 people 3 months ago
And those same people will then say, with a straight face, that this was will make them "more fanatical." what?
That's like saying don't stop the cannibal, if you don't catch him he's gonna get even crazier and start wearing people like a skin suit next!
They will also say that we should have taken a different non-war route, completely ignoring that's exactly what the US did for decades before.
That's why it's the worst argument.
But right now we have a huge group of people opposing action against Iran who agree that:
1) Iran helped kill a bunch of Israelis on 10/7
2) Agree Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapon
3) Agree Iran has used proxies across the middle east to kill people
4) Agree Iran was pursuing a ballistic missile defense deterrent to protect #2
5 Agree that Iran supplies drones to Russia to kill Ukrainians
6) Agree that Iran leads a society that treats people, especially women like shite
7) Agree that Iran killed approximately 20-40,000 people 3 months ago
And those same people will then say, with a straight face, that this was will make them "more fanatical."
what? That's like saying don't stop the cannibal, if you don't catch him he's gonna get even crazier and start wearing people like a skin suit next!
They will also say that we should have taken a different non-war route, completely ignoring that's exactly what the US did for decades before.
That's why it's the worst argument.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:46 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:47 pm to hawgfaninc
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