re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Let's hope that's not the case cause it has gone poorly so far.

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Other than their constant announcement of their intention to destroy Israel and the United States.

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You’re citing the rhetoric they use to solidify their national mythology as evidence that they’d commit national suicide by using a nuclear weapon?

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That signals to Iran that their strategy is working and any further attacks against their infrastructure likely hardens their resolve and increases the chances that Iran further goes after Gulf energy infrastructure and facilities.

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90% of the oil Iran ships (mostly to China) goes through Kharg island. That island receives its oil from underwater pipelines from the mainland. At the point where those pipelines are near the coast several bunker busters could be dropped eliminating the Iranians ability to ship oil out. These damaged pipelines could be monitored by the US and A10s sent to wipe out any construction teams attempting to repair.

These pipelines could be repaired in a few weeks after the regime falls so it does not do long term damage to the civilians. We are trying to minimize damage to civilians.

Irans economy is in the shitter, and has been for years. When they cant sell oil to make money to pay their troops people will quit showing up for work. This is already happening when they setup a checkpoint and get blown up.

Iran is not in a strong place, if the pressure is continued they will collapse.

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The truth of the matter is that the United States’ behavior can best be explained not in terms of a set of principles or hierarchy of priorities, but by the personal interests and preoccupations of the man who happens to be president today. Trump’s head is full of resentments, anger, anecdotes, made-up facts, things he heard on Fox News, and outright lies that he has convinced himself are true.

It would appear that he began his second term favoring the kind of foreign policy restraint that the NSS advocates: he initially cautioned Bibi Netanyahu against striking Iran last summer. But the Israeli prime minister went ahead and attacked Iran regardless, opening up an opportunity for a one-and-done operation that Trump couldn’t resist. This was followed in early January by the snatching of Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro, in which Trump got very lucky. The difficult operation was successful, and Venezuela’s new leader proved compliant. This seems to have convinced Trump that he had an incredible military instrument at hand, and that he could not only use it at low cost, but would be applauded for doing so.

After Venezuela he was asked by an interviewer whether there were any limits to his actions internationally, and he replied that the only thing that could stop him was “my morality.” Netanyahu appears to have convinced him that Iran would be another Venezuela, and that the regime would collapse quickly after the first few blows. Trump had by that time developed great confidence in his own foreign policy instincts; when asked recently when the war would end, he said he would “feel it in my bones.”
Foreign policy doctrines are not simply of academic interest; they are meant to give guidance to and coordinate the activities of the institutions running the country: the State Department, uniformed military, and intelligence community. The National Security Council is meant to vet different views and present options, as well as warnings about future pitfalls, to the chief decision-maker.

At the present moment, none of these institutions are functioning properly. They are headed by sycophants like Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, whose main motive is to stay on Trump’s good side. Trump relies on emissaries like Steve Witkoff and his son-in-law Jared Kushner, neither of whom have the standing or knowledge to advise wisely, or clownish bullies like Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, who has psychological problems of his own.

The members of Congress, journalists, and foreign leaders asking the administration what its goals are will never get an answer. Those goals are basically whatever Trump believes will best advance his political standing at home, as well as actions that will enrich himself and his family. At one moment, he is demanding regime change and “unconditional surrender”; the next moment, he explains that the Iranian regime has already been changed; indeed, that the Iranians have asked him to run their country for them.

It’s not a good thing when the world’s most powerful country is guided not by clear ideas, but by the personal needs of a single leader. There is no such thing as a Trump Doctrine, and consequently, no current basis for any kind of world order.

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'no current basis for any kind of world order'....am I to presume that the writer believes and is comfortable with the current world order? If so, it is possible therein lies the problem and corresponding angst.

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The funny thing about that piece Decatur posted is Fukuyama is one of the neocon godfathers.

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FWIW he broke from it during the Iraq war and even more so in the years after.

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Except it is their religious dream, they believe the 12th Imam will return to fight evil and restore justice when the world is pushed to the edge, this IS THEIR GOAL, Shiite 12'er philosophy.

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Interestingly enough, they believe that the 12 Imam (aka Mahdi) will arise in conjunction with the 2nd coming of Jesus, and they will team up, like Batman and Superman, to rid the world of evil (the anti-Christ). Shiites believe Jesus is the Messiah (Masih). Not in a divine sense (son of God), but as a "savior". As opposed to Jews, who view Jesus as a heretic.

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Francis Fukuyama

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I have no idea who that dude is, but that is pure neo-con / TDS tripe.