re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

Your responses to mine are not well thought out..

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This story was based on “six people familiar with the planning,” and I am sure none of them actually read the President’s speech before it was delivered.

Politico did not even reach out to the White House for comment.

Another example of why you should not blindly trust what you read from the legacy media. This is what they do - call up random sources who just make things up, and then they report it as fact.

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POTUS will use his address tonight to declare that the war in Iran is winding down.

He also intends to harshly scapegoat NATO allies for the biggest unresolved matter of the war, Iran’s ongoing restrictions of shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.

W/ @EliStokols and @meganmesserly

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their country is a fortress that has never been conquered.

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Darius III would like a word.

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The main one is that the US won't knock out Iran's Oil/Gas/Electrical infrastructure to force them to do what we want.

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In what world will that coerce Iran to come to the table to negotiate? We need to coerce them and that certainly won’t do it. The center of gravity of this conflict is control over the strait which Iran is able to exert simply by threatening shipping with drones and the threat of mines. We haven’t been able to guarantee protection of shipping and have even gone as far as presenting the problem as one that Europe has to solve itself.

The Europeans have already decided that opening the strait by force is unrealistic and the UK is leading a coalition of nations to resolve the strait crisis diplomatically instead of militarily.

That signals to Iran that their strategy is working and any further attacks against their infrastructure likely hardens their resolve and increases the chances that Iran further goes after Gulf energy infrastructure and facilities.

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We can take out 1 plant at a time until they capitulate.

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Absolutely ridiculous. Nothing suggests this will work. They’re getting smashed from the air already. All they have to do is threaten shipping with drones. It’s dirt cheap, distributed, and highly effective. Unless we start insuring tankers ourselves, it’ll be up to Iran who gets to move in and out.

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The straight MUST be open, free and clear. And it WILL be very soon. Anything less is unacceptable.

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This just reads like a Trump TruthSocial post. You can say it til you’re blue in the face but it doesn’t change the strategic situation.

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The USA holds ALL the cards. And we have allies in the region that want the job finished as well. Control of the straight can be taken and maintained.

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We don’t, though. The insurers do. Our “allies” in the region are as dickless as our NATO “allies” and they themselves don’t see a military option for opening the strait as of now.

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The world is not in an oil/gas crisis. There is plenty to go around without Iran's contribution.

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We are absolutely in a global energy crisis. You can do a simple google search to see the international reaction to limited supply and skyrocketing prices. Iran’s oil supply isn’t the problem, it’s that the strait sees the passage of 20% of the world’s supply of oil and gas.

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Iran is in a much stronger position today than a month ago.

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What in the heck

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Iran has largely acted rationally though. There’s nothing to suggest they’d be willing to kill their entire populace (guaranteed in a retaliation strike) by using a nuclear weapon.

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Threats. Smaller, dirty stuff for terrorists, etc etc etc

Methinks it’s a route being used to move drones to the southern region of the country.

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Threats. Smaller, dirty stuff for terrorists, etc etc etc

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Or just national survival like North Korea. There’s no reason for further their status of being a global pariah by handing nuclear material to terrorists that they largely can’t control.

I’m not against taking away Iran’s nuclear development. I get why there’s a common interest in preventing nuclear proliferation. But if we’re going to do it we actually have to commit to it and not just start a poorly planned military action with no coalition in place. Instead we’ve destroyed our goodwill with our European partners and driven a wedge between our historic allies and ourselves and Israel.

We’ve made it magnitudes harder now to actually get a plan in place to denuclearize Iran and made it clear to Iran that they need to rush the development of it.

We don’t have the assets, time, or national willpower to do such an undertaking as things stand right now. Our military is proving to be largely incapable of handling a regional threat like Iran. Sure, our air power and naval forces have done well at destroying operational and tactical targets, but actually attacking the center of gravity of Iran is proving to be a boondoggle.

If we’ve gained anything from this war, it’s an understanding of how piss poor our planners are, how unprepared our military is for a near peer conflict, and how we need to stop pushing away our historic allies.

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I’m not against taking away Iran’s nuclear development. I get why there’s a common interest in preventing nuclear proliferation. But if we’re going to do it we actually have to commit to it and not just start a poorly planned military action with no coalition in place. Instead we’ve destroyed our goodwill with our European partners and driven a wedge between our historic allies and ourselves and Israel.

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Europe was NEVER going to partner with us to resolve this threat. Ever. They've been shoving their heads in the sand for 100 years against dictators and madmen with evil intentions in their own backyard. They refused to address Hitler, refused to take on Stalin or the Soviet threat, and have pussyfooted with Putin. Waiting on them to grow a spine is a fool's errand. Unfortunately, we had to act alone.