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Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:22 pm to GeneralLee
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Personal experience?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:33 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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From the US? I imagine it's because they want to create the talking points to spin it online first and flood the zone once its officially released, b/c this deal seems terrible.
You still parroting the talking point that the U..S is sending Iran $300 billion? The deal seems terrible because you are full of shite as always.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:53 pm to BayouBengal51
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Iran will charge fees for services in the Strait of Hormuz,
Didn't the administration say this is false?
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:58 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:00 pm to wdhalgren
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Didn't the administration say this is false?
Ghalibaf has several times already said they will be charging tolls and right now ships are transiting the Iranian traffic scheme and paying the 2 million dollar fee to transit the strait:
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:05 pm to BayouBengal51
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Trumps surrender deal is going to unravel right before his eyes. Saudi Arabia is at odds with Qatar over the IRGC surviving and want them gone. They won't put in a single cent into the supposed GCC fund the rebuild Iranian infrastructure. And if SA won't do it, then the UAE and all the Emirate states won't as well.
I would wager only Qatar and Oman would be willing to fund it while everyone else sits it out.
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:28 pm to wdhalgren
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Didn't the administration say this is false?
Yes, tolls will not be tolerated. Instead they will be charging environmental and navigational assistance fees.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:35 pm to lsuconnman
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Yes, tolls will not be tolerated. Instead they will be charging environmental and navigational assistance fees.
Have either tolls or fees been verified as occurring by someone other than Iran linked sources? I saw articles saying Iran plans to charge fees, articles saying Iran plans to charge nothing for 60 days and then charge fees, US sources saying there would be no charges, Oman saying there had been a last minute change to allow fees, etc.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:37 pm to wdhalgren
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My logic here all starts with his seemingly rogue comment about Iran keeping rockets and missiles, which has freaked out many, particularly Israelis and their supporters.
I'm betting the Gulf States are really uncomfortable, like Israel is, with that statement. They're not stupid. They're also targets, like Israel is. Less, but a lot, and the IRGC are crazy bastards. Makes me think Trump made it for them.
The thing is, they didn't do their parts and aren't yet. And Trump's definitely pissed at them because they straight up didn't help during the war (so far…). They wouldn't even let us use their airspace and tried to close down our own military bases. Trump didn't like that and didn't forget. No way.
So Trump letting them feel some legitimate heat that can be resolved by accomplishing his primary goals makes a lot of basic sense.
If we remember Trump's goals and work backwards, it's actually a little easier to see how this makes sense, even the MOU with it's big carrot/big stick arrangement that basically nobody believes will stick (thus terrifying Israel but, I'll bet, also those Gulf States). So what are Trump's goals?
1) Expand Abraham Accords;
2) KSA allying formally with Israel, which was happening until October 7 disrupted it, thus restoring a pre-10/7 peace agenda;
3) Increase their overall security dependency on US and Israel, thus shifting some of their "hand" in the region to us;
4) Standard Trumpism 101: Make them active participants in their own security arrangements, just like what he's doing with the EU and Pacific countries (no more America carrying all the weight).
The MOU itself creates conditions by which Iran becomes agentic in this. If they behave (they won't), they get rewarded, which they actually want, bigly. If they misuse that (everyone expects they will), they get a well-deserved stick. Everyone in the region feels this fear and is vigilant about it. If they misbehave (they will), they bring hellfire on themselves. This breaks the strangest force in the known universe: responsibility never sticks to a Muslim who behaved badly, never.
It's very high-risk, but this is a very high-stakes game, one of the highest in decades. The fears people have are real and justified, but Trump's got them priced in, I think. He knows he holds cards (B-2s, specifically) that let him adjust later if things don't work right, and by the number of times he's said so in the last 36 hours, I think he's well aware he'll be playing those cards at least sometimes. Tough shite for Iran.
I think we need to stop freaking out and let this develop. We need to see how it cooks and how the chef does with it.
Plus, I think he just hosed JD, and that's alright too.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:41 pm to hawgfaninc
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Plus, I think he just hosed JD, and that's alright too.
What does that cryptic line mean?
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:44 pm to lsuconnman
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Yes, tolls will not be tolerated. Instead they will be charging environmental and navigational assistance fees.
Both sides can call it what they want but it's a toll. Calling it a service fee is just putting lipstick on a pig.Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:46 pm to wdhalgren
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Didn't the administration say this is false?
You’ve got panicans believing IRGC propaganda & MSM ‘sources’ instead of letting it play out
Their logic is hearing panic right now, it doesn’t remember hearing what Scott Bessent had said about IRGC funds
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:58 pm to wdhalgren
quote:If it goes badly, Vance will be thrown under the bus.
What does that cryptic line mean?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:58 pm to hawgfaninc
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You’ve got panicans believing IRGC propaganda & MSM ‘sources’ instead of letting it play out
So which sources are acceptable? All the other sources seem to require 5,000 word essays to explain their support.
Anyone who needs to write a book chapter just to say they are happy, really isn’t.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:59 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:00 pm to hawgfaninc
This whole thread seems to be filled with panicans right now. I get the frustration but that is due to none of us being in the know.
Thread about to turn into an anti trump promotion by many who had no interest until late.
Thread about to turn into an anti trump promotion by many who had no interest until late.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:00 pm to hawgfaninc
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You’ve got panicans believing IRGC propaganda & MSM ‘sources’ instead of letting it play out
Their logic is hearing panic right now, it doesn’t remember hearing what Scott Bessent had said about IRGC funds
I appreciate all the information brought to this thread by anyone but we're still in the fog of war and it seems reasonable to verify claims from social media sites, or note that they are unverified. If we've reached the point where people post whatever Iran sources say as fact, and dispute whatever US sources say, then the thread becomes more of a debate about personal political views and less of an information source. We're all guilty of debating politics, but it's nice to keep the actual information as untainted as possible.
For example, I can't find a US govt source or even a MSM source saying that Iran is currently charging a $2M fee for SOH transit. That doesn't mean they're not doing it or that it's not verifiably true, but it does raise those questions.
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:01 pm to lsuconnman
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So which sources are acceptable?
The ones you prefer
It’ll play out whatever you choose & everyone will then know the results, not before.
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