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October 18th - Force Health Protection Guidance (Supplement 23) Revision 1

Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:51 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:51 am
In my email this morning;
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In accordance with references (c), (d), and (e), DoD civilian employees are now required to be fully vaccinated by November 22, 2021, subject to exemptions as required by law.
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DoD contractor personnel and official visitors must attest to being fully vaccinated and, if not fully vaccinated, present the results of a recent negative COVID-19 test as a condition of physical access to DoD buildings and DoD-leased spaces in non-DoD buildings in which official DoD business takes place (referred to jointly in this memorandum as "DoD facilities").


There are an additional fourteen pages of implementing guidance. It is not posted to the DoD COVID 19 site yet.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:53 am to
How long until they revoke benefits from retirees who aren't?
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:54 am to
City of Chicago is threatening that.

I don’t see how legal it is to retroactively disqualify people from benefits if they are no longer working.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:56 am to
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How long until they revoke benefits from retirees who aren't?
In my opinion, the * administration blinked on contractors. I don't think they have the courage to take on retirees. But I could easily be wrong.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:58 am to
Example: I received the vaccine. My wife has not. The moment someone tries to cut her benefits is the moment that person goes feet first through a wood chipper and no security detail will stop me.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 8:59 am to
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DoD contractor personnel and official visitors must attest to being fully vaccinated and, if not fully vaccinated, present the results of a recent negative COVID-19 test as a condition of physical access


So this reads as if you don't have to be vaccinated, just show negative test

And what is "recent"?

ETA: Are contractors not considered employees?
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 9:00 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:09 am to
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So this reads as if you don't have to be vaccinated, just show negative test
For contractors, correct. For civilians, you have to be vaccinated.
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And what is "recent"?
For contractors, weekly. And DoD has to provide the self-test.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:10 am to
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For contractors, weekly. And DoD has to provide the self-test.
Unless your company says jab or fored.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:15 am to
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Unless your company says jab or fired.
I am blessed. My company is not inclined to do this.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:24 am to
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I am blessed. My company is not inclined to do this.
Posted by Mac Power
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 9:41 am to
My unit just pushed out a "Be prepared for Supplement 23 rev 2" document in the coming days. So hold your breath...

We still have not collected attestation forms or accepted exemption requests.
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:07 am to
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So this reads as if you don't have to be vaccinated, just show negative test


Until Dec. 8 as I understand, if they’ve added the DFARS clause to your contract and it becomes a “covered” contract.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:08 am to
My company only requires proof of vaccination if you travel at their expense (major logistics company with 250+ offices worldwide). Everything else, they just ask for attestation of compliance.
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:10 am to
You have to go here for the contractor BS.

Safer Federal Workforce
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:10 am to
my company just notified the union, DOD says if you aren't vaxxed DBIDS will reject your contractor cac card for entry to base.

We are awaiting no shite in writing facts.
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:19 am to
It’s a cluster no doubt and inconsistent. In addition to the various branches not being consistent it comes down to what your employer is mandating. Example below from the FBI

Sam.gov

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Original Published Date: Oct 22, 2021 07:38 am EDT


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Description To all FBI Contractors: Over the past week we have received guidance from DOJ on vaccination and attestation requirements for contractors and sub-contractors, in accordance with Executive Order (EO) 14042, Ensuring Adequate COVID Safety Protocols for Federal Contractors. Below is a summary of the key takeaways and next steps. Guidance for New Contracts

Effective October 15, for all new contract solicitations and awards, FFD Contracting Officers (COs) will include a new contract clause that mandates vaccination by December 8, 2021 for contractors and sub-contractors working in FBI space. Vendors will be responsible for implementing the vaccination requirement across their workforces. Any reasonable accommodation request and approval must follow the contracting firm’s internal reasonable accommodation process and conform to the FBI’s minimum health and safety requirements.

Attestation Process: For these new contracts, at the start of the period of performance, vendors must provide a detailed roster (emailed to Vendor_Attestation@fbi.gov) of all contract employees working in connection with the contract attesting to their vaccination status. After this initial attestation, no further attestation is required for contract employees who are vaccinated. The vendor is responsible for designating a POC to implement this attestation process and maintaining the appropriate attestation tracking records. Note: Once the new vaccination clause is incorporated into the contract, contractors must be vaccinated or have a vendor-approved reasonable accommodation. If no reasonable accommodation has been approved, an unvaccinated contractor cannot pursue testing as an alternative to the vaccine.

Guidance for Pre-Existing Contracts Effective October 15, for all contracts for which the FBI is exercising option years or extensions, COs will include the new contract clause mandating vaccination at the time of exercising the option year or extension. Until the new contract clause is included in the option year or extension, contractors working under pre-existing agreements must either attest to being fully vaccinated or provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test. This process also applies in the case of a pre-existing contract where the FBI will not be exercising an option year.

Attestation Process: For these pre-existing contracts, by November 15, 2021, vendors must provide a detailed roster (emailed to Vendor_Attestation@fbi.gov) of employees attesting to their vaccination status. If the roster indicates that a contract employee is vaccinated, no additional attestation is required for that particular contract employee in the future.

The vendor is responsible for designating a POC to implement this attestation process and maintaining the appropriate attestation tracking records. For contract employees who are not fully vaccinated, upon entering FBI space, the contractor must be prepared to present a negative COVID-19 test result to the vendor POC, dated within the three days before entry. On a weekly basis, the vendor POC will be required to provide documentation (emailed to Vendor_Attestation@fbi.gov) on unvaccinated contract employees accessing FBI space who submitted negative COVID-19 test results.

For contract employees who fail to attest to full vaccination status, do not provide a negative COVID-19 test result within the past three days, or do not have an approved reasonable accommodation, the vendor's designated POC is responsible for coordinating the contract employee’s access to FBI space after December 8 with the Division COR. The vendor is responsible for costs associated with COVID-19 testing and lost labor costs for the unvaccinated workers without negative COVID-19 test results who are unable to support onsite FBI work.

Completing and submitting Roster Instructions: (Attachment 1) Each vendor is required to submit a roster under each contract with the FBI. All fields in the roster must be completed when submitted. For initial submittal of the roster, the file should be submitted as an attachment saved as (ContractorNameContractNumberSubmittal1) For each subsequent submittal of the updated roster, the file should be submitted as an attachment saved as (ContractorNameContractNumberSubmittal2 with each subsequent submittal matching this naming structure).
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 10:26 am
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:20 am to
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:30 am to
I think part of the government’s strategy from a financial standpoint is getting companies to mandate the vaccines with no testing opt out across the board ahead of the triggers to add the requirement to each contract. Then they’ll say we don’t owe you for any negative impact on a contract by contract basis because you moved out ahead of the requirement. Of course a company that has a volume of contracts can’t exactly manage each one separately on something like this. Just my opinion though.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:33 am to
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I think part of the government’s strategy from a financial standpoint is getting companies to mandate the vaccines with no testing opt out across the board ahead of the triggers to add the requirement to each contract. Then they’ll say we don’t owe you for any negative impact on a contract by contract basis because you moved out ahead of the requirement. Of course a company that has a volume of contracts can’t exactly manage each one separately on something like this. Just my opinion though.
I think you are spot on.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127381 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:38 am to
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My unit just pushed out a "Be prepared for Supplement 23 rev 2" document in the coming days. So hold your breath...

We still have not collected attestation forms or accepted exemption requests.
Thanks for the insights. My boss (a narrow example) is saying it is not happening. Will see how it plays out. Regardless, my position remains the same. I am not taking the vaccine as a condition of employment. I am only taking it if I see a health benefit to me. And I don't right now.
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