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re: NY Times: The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program - spin off for aerospace / esoteric discussion
I will care about this once there's something tangible for me to see. Like all of your stories, there is zero substance and it's all shrouded in mystery. Is there anything wrong with just waiting til you can actually see something?
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https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/heres-why-these-harvard-astrophysicists-speculate-mysterious-interstellar-object

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Here's Why These Harvard Astrophysicists Speculate that a Mysterious Interstellar Object Could Have Come from Aliens

It confused scientists when it first passed through our solar system.

By Cody Fenwick / AlterNet November 1, 2018, 9:06 AM GMT



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Scientists and stargazers alike were transfixed last year when ‘Oumuamua, the first object known to come from outside our solar system, passed close by our sun. Astrophysicists had long believed it was possible for such objects to exist, but none had ever been observed before. But something strange happened. As 'Oumuanua passed by the sun, it accelerated — speeding up in a way that we wouldn't expect if it were simply being driven by the force of gravity.

A new paper from Harvard astrophysicists Shmuel Bialy and Abraham Loeb offers a startling hypothesis: It could have been an alien artifact, an actual piece of technology from an interstellar civilization.


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They say the object could be a "lightsail floating in interstellar space as debris from an advanced technological equipment." Humans have already constructed such objects of similar dimensions, they note, and such vessels "might be abundantly used for transportation of cargos between planets (Guillochon & Loeb 2015) or between stars." In other words, it could be "Similar to debris from ship wrecks floating in the ocean." There's another even more exciting possibility. The authors believe it would be highly unlikely for a random piece of space debris from an alien society to simply find its way into our solar system by chance unless the galaxy were completely littered with this junk. It's not impossible, but they argue that previous calculations they've conducted suggest it's more likely that, if 'Oumuamua came from an alien civilization, it was sent on purpose


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under this hypothesis, "'Oumuamua is a targeted probe on a reconnaissance mission and not a member of a random population of objects," they write.


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just waiting til you can actually see something?


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Again, this thread argues that this is not a phenomenon that can be “seen” easily (it may have the capability to alter human perception/ consciousness). That sounds nuts at face value, but I have tried to point out the work done by the CIA and Hal Puthoff (mainly conciousness based) to support. It is not an easy paradigm for most (hardcore reductionist scientists) to fathom.

Sagan wrestles with these themes in the movie “Contact”. Jodie Fosters science minded paradigm is compelled to ask others to take her contact account on faith...

You are invoking the “deGrasse Tyson”


Image: https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/neil-degrass-tyson-ufo-footage-cnn.png?w=750


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Neil deGrasse Tyson says the supposed UFO video released by former Blink-182 guitarist Tom DeLonge is garbage. Yesterday, in an appearance on CNN’s New Day America's favorite astrophysicist tore the video to shreds


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"Keep checking it out. Call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien," Dr. Tyson says. "The evidence is so paltry for aliens to visit Earth, I have no further interest." He adds, "Let other people who care go ahead, and then when you finally find some aliens bring them into Times Square."


Pathetic viewpoint from an arrogant man of settled science...
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I am going to add some stuff tomorrow


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There is plenty out there to see unless you believe in swamp gas.

You think media is honest about this one topic?


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Oumaouma is an abandoned ship that is billions of years old and built by an aquatic civilization. They already went out and inspected it and found it picked clean of all technology.


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Sheesh, American automakers craft more stylish vehicles than that Baby Ruth dookie looking thing

NO style permits for those guys!!!!


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Lol. On cue, "well this is tough stuff, we don't have anything concrete. You just have to believe."


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Neil deGrasse Tyson says the supposed UFO video released by former Blink-182 guitarist Tom DeLonge is garbage. Yesterday, in an appearance on CNN’s New Day America's favorite astrophysicist tore the video to shreds


He's also not shy about his relationship with the MIC


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"well this is tough stuff, we don't have anything concrete. You just have to believe."

sounds like the Q people


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sounds like the Q people


This is a different thread

The base(s) of this thread (from very reputable outlets) are Pentagon disclosed project reported on by the New York Times and a massive amount for unaccounted money.

The other speculation has spun off trying to discuss these things. Most who drive by (likely domain dependent folks) and critique have clearly not read the thread in its entirety as it crosses over many domains.

Some criticize the thread for not providing tangible evidence to “see”, yet when indeed presented with evidence they refuse to “see” it

Some people see what they want to see...

Image: https://storiesformuslimkids.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/six-blind-men-and-elephant.jpg


Synchronicity: BAMA game (the elephant looks scared )

NM, figured it out: Tom Ritter fellated it’s genitals and perceived targeting...
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Image: https://www.earthfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1947-ufo-crash-debris.jpg


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DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS ABOUT THE MATCH OF ANCIENT GREEK TO THE SYMBOLS INSIDE OF THESE CRAFT IN WHICH THE SKIN IS THE BISMUTH MAGNESIUM-ZINC LAYERED METAL?

I can’t do that. I can’t give that information out publicly.

BUT YOU DO HAVE KNOWLEDGE?

Yes.

AND IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE GREEKS WERE PROBABLY ANOTHER INTELLIGENCE BASED ON THIS PLANET AND NOT EVOLUTIONARY HOMO SAPIENS?

I can’t say that (laughs), I’m sorry, I can’t delve into that.

WELL, I’VE BEEN TOLD IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT IS IN FACT THE TRUTH.

I can say this much – there have been more advanced civilizations on this planet prior to us that were far more advanced than we are today.”


1911...

https://www.nytimes.com/1911/01/30/archives/german-discovers-atlantis-in-africa-leo-frobenius-says-find-of.html

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GERMAN DISCOVERS ATLANTIS IN AFRICA; Leo Frobenius Says Find of Bronze Poseidon Fixes Lost Continent's Place.
Special Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES.JAN. 30, 1911


http://www.jasoncolavito.com/atlantis-in-africa.html

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BERLIN, Jan. 29. -- Leo Frobenius, author, leader of the German Inner-African exploring expedition, sends word from the hinterland of Togo, according to information reaching THE NEW YORK TIMES correspondent, that he has discovered indisputable proofs of the existence of Plato's legendary continent of Atlantis.

He places Atlantis, which he declares was not an island, in the northwestern section of Africa, in territory lying close to the equator.

The explorer bases his assertions principally on the discovery of an ancient bronze, the head of a man. It is a work of high artistic merit, he says, and dates back to the period ages before the day of Solon, when tradition peopled the legendary continent with a mighty nation which only the Athenians could conquer.

The bronze bears the insignia of Poseidon, the Greek equivalent of Neptune, and this fact is thought by the discoverer to bear out the tradition of an invasion of Atlantis by Athenians. Besides this Poseidon was by legend connected with the founding of the state.
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Atlantis?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM&feature=youtu.be

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The Lost City of Atlantis - Hidden in Plain Sight - Advanced Ancient Human Civilization

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Published on Sep 4, 2018

Not only did the lost city of Atlantis actually exist, but its true location has been hiding in plain sight for thousands of years, completely unnoticed, as we’ve been looking in all the wrong places...Since everyone assumes that it must be under the ocean somewhere, such as in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean or the Mediterranean Sea, which have long been considered to be the most likely places for its existence. And no, I am not about to suggest that Antarctica is the hidden location of Atlantis, either. Because in this video, I am going to connect the dots on the exact words that Plato used to describe Atlantis, its location, and the geographical land features that surround it, which were recorded in Plato’s dialogues, the Critias and Timaeus. And the details that Plato shared of Atlantis, which I’m about to share with you in side by side comparison, will show you that the Richat Structure located in Mauritania Africa, also commonly referred to as the Eye of the Sahara, or the Eye of Africa…is the most likely location for the lost city of Atlantis.


YouTube - 2nd vid

YouTube- 3rd vid

Image: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/144673main_image_feature_528_ys_full.jpg


https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_528.html

Image: http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/files/2018/09/New-Picture-12.png


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According to Plato, the Atlantean Empire was comprised of 10 kingdoms and its Island capital city, and was arranged in concentric, alternating rings of land and water; two of land and three of water, encircling one another; and a channel opening toward the south that led toward the sea. The size and dimensions of this description are remarkablely similar to the Richat formation. The diameter of the city’s outer ring measured 127 stadia, in today’s terms 23.49 km and the diameter of the outer circle of the Richat formation measures 23.50 km. There was said to be a spring of fresh water in the city’s center and a spring has also been located at the center of the Richat rings. The anomaly is also located southwest of the Pillars of Hercules (Straits of Gibraltar) mentioned in Plato’s description, below the Atlas mountain range in a vast central oblong shaped plane to the south.


Image: http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/files/2018/09/New-Picture-14.png


Flood map:

Image: https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1279676014579/Home/neptune-s-deluge/World_Alluvial_Flood_of_Avila_Atlantis_6482bC_by_Riven05.JPG?height=483&width=480


Image: https://www.age-of-the-sage.org/history/historian/herodotus_world_map.gif



https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/10/ancient-river-network-discoverd-buried-under-saharan-sand

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Ancient river network discovered buried under Saharan sand
Radar images of the Mauritanian desert have revealed a river stretching for more than 500km and suggest plants and wildlife once thrived there

Ian Sample Science editor @iansample Tue 10 Nov 2015 12.09 EST Last modified on Wed 14 Feb 2018 12.28 EST


Image: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/10/ancient-river-network-discoverd-buried-under-saharan-sand#img-1


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The French-led team behind the discovery believe the river carried water to the sea during the periodic humid spells that took hold in the region over the past 245,000 years. Water may last have coursed through the channels 5,000 years ago. The river would have helped people, plants and wildlife to thrive in what is now desert land, and would have carried nutrients crucial for marine organisms far into the sea. Were it still flowing today, the river system would rank 12th among the largest on Earth, the researchers write in the journal Nature Communications. Images taken from the satellite revealed that the hidden river beds aligned almost perfectly with a huge underwater canyon that extends off the coast of Mauritania into waters more than three kilometres deep. First mapped in 2003, the Cap Timiris Canyon is 2.5km wide and a kilometre deep in places.


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It’s a great geological detective story and it confirms more directly what we had expected. This is more compelling evidence that in the past there was a very big river system feeding into this canyon,” said Wynn, who was not involved in the latest study. “It tells us that as recently as five to six thousand years ago, the Sahara desert was a very vibrant, active river system.”


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“People sometimes can’t get their head around climate change and how quickly it happens. Here’s an example where within just a couple of thousand years, the Sahara went from being wet and humid, with lots of sediment being transported into the canyon, to something that’s arid and dry,” Wynn said.


Change in the blink of an eye...
Things ain’t like they used to be...
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re: NY Times: The Pentagon’s U.F.O. Program - spin off for aerospace / esoteric discussion
From the Critias (Plato):

'I mean to say,' he replied, 'that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you the reason of this: there have been, and there will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes.

There is a story which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth recurring at long intervals of time: when this happens, those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the sea-shore; and from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing savior, saves and delivers us.

When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, among you herdsmen and shepherds on the mountains are the survivors, whereas those of you who live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea; but in this country neither at that time nor at any other does the water come from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below, for which reason the things preserved here are said to be the oldest.

The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer sun does not prevent, the human race is always increasing at times, and at other times diminishing in numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed--if any action which is noble or great, or in any other way remarkable has taken place, all that has been written down of old, and is preserved in our temples; whereas you and other nations are just being provided with letters and the other things which States require; and then, at the usual period, the stream from heaven descends like a pestilence, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and thus you have to begin all over again as children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

As for those genealogies of yours which you have recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children; for, in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were many of them; and, in the next place, you do not know that there dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, of whom you and your whole city are but a seed or remnant. And this was unknown to you, because for many generations the survivors of that destruction died and made no sign.

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A more modern nod:

https://www.indiadivine.org/father-of-the-atomic-bomb-quotes-hindu-scripture-after-first-nuclear-detonation/

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Father of the Atomic Bomb Quotes Hindu Scripture After First Nuclear Detonation


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J.R. Oppenheimer is often referred to as the father of the atomic bomb for his role in the Manhattan Project, the World War II project that developed the first nuclear weapons. The first atomic bomb was detonated on July 16, 1945, in the Trinity test in New Mexico. Oppenheimer remarked later that it brought to mind words from the Bhagavad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” The following video shows him quoting from the Bhagavad Gita about the testing of the atomic bomb.


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Oppenheimer also claimed that, “access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries.”


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Remarkably he even once hinted at the possibility of weapons on par of the nuclear ones he was working on in previous eras, particularly those of the Ramayana and Mahabharata. While he was giving a lecture at Rochester University, during the question and answer period a student asked a question to which Oppenheimer gave a strangely qualified answer:

Student: “Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?”

Dr. Oppenheimer replied: “Well — yes. In modern times, of course.”

Some people suggest that Oppenheimer was referring to the Brahmastra weapon mentioned in the Mahabharata. The appreciation didn’t stop there. So much so he always gave the book (Bhagavad Gita) as a present to his friends and kept a copy on the shelf closest to his desk. At Franklin Roosevelt’s funeral he read a passage from the Gita, chapter 17 verse 3, “Man is a creature whose substance is faith, what his faith is, he is”.


Oppenheimer included here to reinforce that compartmentalization is a real thing (Manhattan project)


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Other interesting phenomena viewed from the air:

Image: http://www.oregondesertmystery.com/uploads/1/5/6/7/15677966/7327913_orig.jpg


http://www.oregondesertmystery.com/research.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/123250/14-MILE-WIDE-HINDU-SYMBOL-APPEARS-IN-OREGON-LAKE-BED.html?pg=all

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1/4-MILE-WIDE HINDU SYMBOL APPEARS IN OREGON LAKE BED
By Jeff Barnard, Associated Press writer
Published: September 21, 1990 12:00 am


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A huge Hindu meditation symbol has been mysteriously plowed into a remote dry lake bed in the southeastern Oregon desert, a spokesman for the Idaho Air National Guard said Thursday. The symbol, known as a sriyantra, measures about a quarter-mile across and is oriented to true north. It is precisely laid out in the Alvord Desert along a training run often used by Air Guard pilots, said Capt. Michael Gollaher of the 124th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Boise."Nobody is really saying this is a UFO-type thing," Gollaher said. "The word out at this time is that this is some type of manmade object.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6hFniHGO-I0

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Oregon Sri Yantra - NBC News Story - 1990 Sri Yantra: The Oregon Desert Mystery
SUBSCRIBE 299 Published on Oct 14, 2015

Initial news report on the Oregon Sri Yantra desert design. Televised report from NBC news affiliate KGW-TV, Portland, OR. Circa Fall of 1990. ?Walden Kirsch reporting. Oregon Sri Yantra design. Mickey Basin, Oregon.


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Father of the Atomic Bomb Quotes Hindu Scripture After First Nuclear Detonation


Meanwhile at CERN...

https://home.cern/about/updates/2018/11/new-antimatter-gravity-experiments-begin-cern

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New antimatter gravity experiments begin at CERN

Ana Lopes
Posted by Ana Lopes on 2 Nov 2018. Last updated 2 Nov 2018, 16.41.


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We learn it at high school: release two objects of different mass in the absence of friction forces and they fall down at the same rate in Earth’s gravity. What we haven’t learned, because it hasn’t been directly measured in experiments, is whether antimatter falls down at the same rate as ordinary matter or if it might behave differently. Two new experiments at CERN, ALPHA-g and GBAR, have now started their journey towards answering this question.


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Discovering any difference between the behaviour of antimatter and matter in connection with gravity could point to a quantum theory of gravity and perhaps cast light on why the universe seems to be made of matter rather than antimatter.


Reminder about CERN:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/18/fake-human-sacrifice-filmed-at-cern-with-pranking-scientists-suspected

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Fake human sacrifice filmed at Cern, with pranking scientists suspected
Spokeswoman at high temple of particle physics suggests ‘scientific users’ of the Geneva facility ‘let their humour go too far’ with staging of occult rite


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The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern) has launched an investigation into a video filmed at night on its Geneva campus depicting a mock ritual human sacrifice.

The video, which circulated online, shows several individuals in black cloaks gathering in a main square at Europe’s top physics lab, in what appears to be a re-enactment of an occult ceremony. The video includes the staged “stabbing” of a woman. It is filmed from the perspective of a secret viewer watching from a window above who, as the ceremony reaches its climax, lets out a string of expletives and flees with the camera still running. The ceremony appears to have been staged in front of a statue of the Hindu deity Shiva that is on permanent display at the complex, home of the Large Hadron Collider.


Image: https://images.indianexpress.com/2016/08/cern-759.jpg


Image: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/cern_human_sacrifice.jpg


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New Lost in Space references Shiva:

Image: https://www.fxguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/SAR_undamaged.0001-660x330.jpg


Image: https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lis_101_sg_a00018r.jpg?w=780


Image: https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lis_110_sg_a00020r.jpg


Image: https://www.fxguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/101_040_600_final.1006.jpg


This is an attempt at to show how this thread crosses many domains to understand...
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https://postimg.cc/4YzKG958 link to bigger image of below
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New antimatter gravity experiments begin at CERN


Apparently Germans found a way to reduce mass to zero. Die Glocke being mentioned as notably important.

Another lad mentioned the game Tarock. Also mentioned type 3, which I guess is a variation of the game. That wasn't posted to anyone specific, so hard to say what exactly that is in regards to, but maybe something to cipher through when you get bored.


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I’ve seen unexplainable UFOs in person when I was in the military (82nd Airborne Division and 509th Airborne Combat Team) so I know there are things out there for which there is no reasonable explanation other than alien visitation or oversight.

We’re trained on being able to recognize and shoot down any enemy aircraft ... and what some of us saw were things for which there was simply no explanation.


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I will care about this once there's something tangible for me to see.
From whom? Your benevolent government, or the trustworthy media?


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